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The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Adele Edisen - 03-11-2008 Paul Rigby Wrote:All change - Cuba has oil! Paul and Others, For whatever it's worth, I remember sales of shares being sold in New Orleans to a company which claimed oil had been found in Cuba - on land or in the sea, I don't know. I saw the stock certificates that belonged to someone I knew who had purchased shares. This was while Castro was fighting the Batista forces before he gained charge of Cuba in 1959. Wasn't George H.W. Bush and his Zapata Oil (exploration?) Company operating in the Caribbean at the time (the late 1950s), possibly near Cuba? Adele The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Myra Bronstein - 03-11-2008 Charles Drago Wrote:... Very cryptic. How did they benefit Charles? And why would they continue to send supposed assassination teams with poison pills, and invasion teams (e.g., Little Bay of Pigs,http://littlebayofpigs.com/) if they didn't want Castro dead? The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Myra Bronstein - 03-11-2008 Adele Edisen Wrote:Paul and Others, Good point Adele. I don't know why I don't think of Cuba when I think of oil. "Zapata Off-Shore concentrated its business in the Caribbean, the Gulf of Mexico, and the Central American coast in the late 1950s and early 1960s, according to Nicolas King's George Bush: A Biography. The US government began to auction off mineral rights to these areas in 1954. Drilling contracts in 1958 with the seven large US oil producers included wells 40 miles north of Isabela, Cuba (131 miles south of Miami), near the island Cay Sal. (Fidel Castro overthrew Cuba's Batista government in July 1959.) Zapata also won a contract with Kuwait. Bush was joined in Zapata by a fellow Yale Skull and Bones member, Robert Gow, in 1962. Zapata Offshore had four oil-drilling rigs operational by 1963: Scorpion (1956), Vinegaroon (1957), Sidewinder, and (in the Persian Gulf) Nola III. By 1964, Zapata Off-Shore had a number of subsidiaries, including: Seacat-Zapata Offshore Company (Persia Gulf), Zapata de Mexico, Zapata International Corporation, Zapata Mining Corporation, Zavala Oil Company, Zapata Overseas Corporation, and a 41% share of Amata Gas Corporation." http://www.answers.com/topic/zapata-corporation The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Jack White - 03-11-2008 Scorpion...poisonous arthropod Vinegaroon...poisonous giant spider Sidewinder...poisonous rattlesnake Bush...poisonous political snake The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Charles Drago - 03-11-2008 Myra Bronstein Wrote:Very cryptic. How did they benefit Charles? The benefits accrued to those elements of the military-industrial complex -- and the politicians who serviced them -- for whom the presence of a hemispheric bogeyman underscored their usefulness, generated economic profit, and preserved the Cold War fictive construct. The staged attempts at invasion and assassination kept the low level muscle in line insofar as they catered to their appetites for vengeance and a return to power in a "liberated" Cuba. The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Myra Bronstein - 03-11-2008 Charles Drago Wrote:The benefits accrued to those elements of the military-industrial complex -- and the politicians who serviced them -- for whom the presence of a hemispheric bogeyman underscored their usefulness, generated economic profit, and preserved the Cold War fictive construct. Oh, yes, the bogeyman--the one indispensable entity. That does make sense. The same reason the alleged Bin Laden person is more useful allegedly shipping videos to the propagandameisters than he would be in custody. The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Charles Drago - 03-11-2008 Another point: Keep in mind the electoral significance of Florida and its Cuban/anti-Castro voters over the past 45 years. Absent the Castro issue -- not so much. As The Beard fades to black, note how the second generation of gusanos distance themselves from the political passions of their forebears and replace anti-Castro political motivations with contemporary economic and social agendas. Alpha 66 is more like Alpha 86 today. Off to the nursing camps, amigos. The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Paul Rigby - 04-11-2008 Charles Drago Wrote:The benefits accrued to those elements of the military-industrial complex -- and the politicians who serviced them -- for whom the presence of a hemispheric bogeyman underscored their usefulness, generated economic profit, and preserved the Cold War fictive construct. Very good summary. To put a little flesh on the bone, as some or other actress once remarked to a man of the cloth, I hasten to add the following, as more or less first posted on the Education Forum, but minus the footnotes. Cuban Smoke Quote:Between ‘Arrogant CIA’s’ publication on October 2 and the Agency coup in Saigon on November 1, Starnes twice more launched savage attacks on the organisation. America had been here before, insisted Starnes, and the lessons were plain. But the Castro precedent he instanced was a very different story from the fairy tale version propagated at the time by the New Left (1), and mainstream historians ever since. Starnes refused to forget an inconvenient fact: Castro was armed, financed, and propagandised for, by the CIA. And, not content with installing him in Havana, the Agency had then covered Castro’s back for sufficient time to permit the “revolution’s” turn to the left, the turn that sucked the Soviet Union in, and brought the Cold War to within ninety miles of America’s shores – the very object of the exercise for the CIA, and the nation’s military-industrial complex. It was the perfect rejoinder to Eisenhower’s heroic labours for détente. Notes: (1) For pretentious contemporaneous “New Left” nonsense in Britain entirely neglecting the CIA’s role in Castro’s rise to power, see anything on the subject by Stuart Hall, Norman Fruchter, Perry Anderson, and Robin Blackburn. If Anderson was the cleverest of this quartet of intellectual secret policemen, Blackburn was the most overtly spooky of the group. He worked assiduously to stoke the fires of student revolt in Britain and Europe in 1968, a year that considerably improved the Right’s position across the globe, not least in France, where, thanks to the CIA-MI6 orchestrated student and worker unrest, De Gaulle was at last toppled. Blackburn was subsequently chosen to edit the pseudo-revelatory “memoirs” of “ex”-CIA man Phillip Agee, then “on the run” in Britain, wherein we learned that, yes, the CIA does some terrible things, but always with presidential approval. ( Philip Agee, as quoted by Claude Bourdet, in "The CIA Against Portugal," as found in Jean Pierre Faye (Ed.). Portugal: The Revolution In The Labyrinth (Nottingham: Spokesman Books, 1976), p. 194: "[T]he CIA is not a mysterious body with its own brand of politics: it is a tool in the hands of the President of the United States…") The latter was a point guaranteed to gladden the heart of Allen Dulles, who propagated the same lie in his ghost-written 1963 farrago, The Craft of Intelligence. The New Left proceeded from the assumption – more accurately, the lie – that the Castro’s campaign had, in the words of a respected British chronicler of the spook-created movement, “erupted spontaneously, without external superpower involvement,” and that Castro “had worked with the revolutionary classes particular to Cuba – the peasantry in alliance with factions of the working and lower middle classes from the cities” (Michael Kenny. The First New Left: British Intellectuals After Stalin (London: Lawrence & Wishart, 1995), p.179.) Drivel, every last word of it. The New Left was heavily promoted in the early 1960s by the mainstream British media. Panorama, the BBC “investigative” programme long notorious for its control by British intelligence, even did a puff piece on the New Left’s meeting place in London. (2) Scott Nearing & Joseph Freeman. Dollar Diplomacy: A Study in American Imperialism (NY: Monthly Review Press, 1969, reprint of book first published in 1925), pp. 239-240. (3) Ibid., p. 267. (4) Ibid., pp. 88-89. (5) George Morris. CIA and American Labor: The Subversion of the AFL-CIO’s Foreign Policy (NY: International Publishers, 1967), pp. 64-65. (6) Tad Szulc. Fidel: A Critical Portrait (London: Coronet Books, 1989), pp. 170-171. (7) Homer Bigart. See Ibid., p.206. (Bigart article in the NYT, 23 March 1958.) (8) The Ambassador was Robert Woodward. See Wise & Ross. The Invisible Government, pp. 119-120. (9) See the Washington Post review of Anthony Depalma’s The Man Who Invented Fidel: Castro, Cuba, and Herbert L. Matthews of The New York Times, from the Amazon website: http://www.amazon.com/Man-Who-Invented-Fidel-Matthews/dp/1586483323 (10) Former Costa Rican President, Jose Figueres, in the course of an impromptu interview with American pressmen upon emerging from President Kennedy’s office. Figueres shrewdly drew a parallel with Senator Joe McCarthy. (Garnett D. Horner, “Latin Says U.S. Press ‘Fabricated’ Castro,” The Evening Star (Washington), 19 April 1961, p. B7.) (11) Van Gosse. Where the Boys are: Cuba, Cold War America and the Making of a New Left (London: Verso, 1993), p. 117, citing an undated Time piece. (12) John M. Crewdson and Joseph B. Treaster, “CIA Established Many Links to Journalists in US and Abroad,” The New York Times, 27 December 1977, p. 40. (13) Crewdson & Treaster, Ibid., insist Hendrix was an asset, not a career agent. In the immediate aftermath of Dallas, Hendrix furnished journalists with the patsy’s Soviet “connections,” not a task to be left to a mere asset. See Seth Kantor for Hendrix’s role in the framing of Oswald. (14) Ronan Bennett, “Fidel’s parting shot,” The Observer, 29 July 2001, Review, p. 2. (15) Ibid. (16) Tad Szulc, “Kennedy Bars U.S. Role,” New York Times, 12 April 1962, p.14. (17) Philip Gunson, “Obituaries: Fernando Guttierez Barrios,” The Guardian, 2 November 2000, p. 24. (18) Philip Gunson, “Obituaries: Arturo Durazo,” The Guardian, 14 August 2000, p. 18. (19) Tad Szulc. Fidel: A Critical Portrait (London: Coronet Books, 1989), p. 398. (20) Ibid., p. 469. (21) Ibid, p. 471. (22) Ibid., p. 745. (23) Drew Pearson, “The Washington Merry-Go-Round: CIA Reportedly Gave Castro Arms,” The Washington Post, 23 May 1961, p.D11. Ray Cromley, “CIA Found Wanting In Cloak-Dagger Role,” The New York World-Telegram & Sun, 29 April 1961, p. 6: “CIA certainly did not correctly assess the character of Fidel Castro in the years he received US backing.” Cromley mentioned in the same article CIA support for Nasser. (24) Earl T. Smith. The Fourth Floor: An Account of the Castro Communist Revolution (NY: Random House, 1962), p. 134-136. (25) Ibid, p. 231. (26) Ibid., p. 222. (27) Jan McGirk, “Castro ‘honoured’ by murder plots,” The Independent, 28 July 1999, p. 13 (28) Ibid. (29) Tad Szulc. Fidel, p. 543. (30) Jack Raymond, “CIA Head Finds Cuba Is Training Latin Saboteurs,” The New York Times, 2 March 1963, p.1. (31) Alan J. Weberman & Michael Canfield. Coup D’Etat in America: The CIA and the Assassination of John F, Kennedy (San Francisco: Quick American Archives, 1992), p. 135. (32) Prince Norodom Sihanouk with Wifred Burchett. My War with the CIA (London: Pelican, 1974), p. 128. (33) Charon, “London Diary,” The New Statesman, 5 May 1961, p. 699, offers a brief summary of British comments on the CIA’s support for the Challe putsch: an oblique reference by Nora Beloff in the pages of the Observer; and an overt reference in the first edition only of the Sunday Express. Only the Sunday Dispatch gave the story full play. The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Myra Bronstein - 06-11-2008 Charles Drago Wrote:Another point: Keep in mind the electoral significance of Florida and its Cuban/anti-Castro voters over the past 45 years. That's a very good point as well. For decades the Cuban vote was very distinct from the Latin American vote. However, many of them voted for Obama this time. I wonder how much the Elio Gonzalez incident hurt the Democratic party. May have cost them Florida, put the vote within stealing range in 2000. The Invasion of Cuba: Never the Intention of JFK Hit Sponsors - Paul Rigby - 02-12-2008 Paul Rigby Wrote:Very good summary. To put a little flesh on the bone, as some or other actress once remarked to a man of the cloth, I hasten to add the following, as more or less first posted on the Education Forum, but minus the footnotes. Out of the mouths of babes and elderly Tory imperialists... Here's MI6 stalwart - and veteran CIA apologist - Julian Amery spilling the beans in the House of Commons in February 1976 on that now-forgotten Agency leg-up for Fidel. Note the anguished disbelief of the Labour MP Martin Flannery, for whom a childish Manicheanism had long since supplanted the study of history: http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1976/feb/09/foreign-policy-and-morality#S5CV0905P0-00566 Quote:Mr. Amery (Conservative: Brighton, Pavilion): |