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I often wonder... - Charles Drago - 07-06-2010
Please see my previously posted meditations on how David Sanchez Morales might have been "talent"-spotted, recruited, and developed.
WHICH David Sanchez Morales?
Ahhh ... Therein lies the tale ...
I often wonder... - Myra Bronstein - 08-06-2010
Magda Hassan Wrote:And of course there is the prison system to recruit from also.
Oh yeah. Lessee, Charles Manson, James Earl Ray, Donald DeFreeze, ...
Hell, in that case the more people in prison the better.
I often wonder... - Charles Drago - 08-06-2010
You might also wish to look over my Ian Fleming/From Russia with Love material on the use of serial killers by state intelligence services.
I often wonder... - Dawn Meredith - 12-06-2010
Magda Hassan Wrote:Not at the level I was at Jack but maybe at the post grad level and officer levels. One thing that was made very clear in my military law lessons was that you were obligated to follow an order. If there was any doubt as to whether that order was legal or not that had to be followed up later, after following the order, or one would be charged for not follow an order.
It is very hard for me to imagine you in the military Magda. Was it mandatory where you live?
In Canada there was no draft and the first I heard of it at age 18 I was in shock. That you coul be actually be forced to go to war. This was during Vietnam. Of course I would have just gone back to Canada had I been a man and my number came up.
I HATE the military because they always lie about why they are sending our boys off to war. During the so called "Cold War" I was never once afraid of the "red scare".
Of course now they give poor boys $20,000 to sign away their lives. It makes me ill.
Jack I have wondered how they do this too, brain washing is very advanced. Also video games were created with war in mind.
Dawn
I often wonder... - Keith Millea - 13-06-2010
Quote:In Canada there was no draft and the first I heard of it at age 18 I was in shock. That you coul be actually be forced to go to war. This was during Vietnam. Of course I would have just gone back to Canada had I been a man and my number came up.
I graduated from High School in June 1966.I married in April 1967,and was drafted into the Army in Feb.1968.This was before they used the lottery system.I had three choices:
>Run to Canada
>Go to jail
>Try to get through my 2 year obligation.
What's a young man supposed to do? :argh:
I often wonder... - Dawn Meredith - 13-06-2010
Keith Millea Wrote:Quote:In Canada there was no draft and the first I heard of it at age 18 I was in shock. That you coul be actually be forced to go to war. This was during Vietnam. Of course I would have just gone back to Canada had I been a man and my number came up.
I graduated from High School in June 1966.I married in April 1967,and was drafted into the Army in Feb.1968.This was before they used the lottery system.I had three choices:
>Run to Canada
>Go to jail
>Try to get through my 2 year obligation.
What's a young man supposed to do? :argh:
Well, there was a 4th option: CO status.
And a "two year obligation" usually meant Nam didn't it?
I am surprised they have not re-instituted the draft.
I often wonder... - Magda Hassan - 13-06-2010
They've instituted a lack of choices and options for the poor instead of the draft. The army provides free (or very cheap) housing, free health care, guaranteed income, career advancement, free education. All the things that the state should offer citizens in a civilized world but in the US you only get it in the military. Just sign here.....
It sounds good to many. But they never inform anyone about the down side. :evil:
I often wonder... - Keith Millea - 13-06-2010
Quote:Well, there was a 4th option: CO status.
CO status was very difficult to obtain.Then the Army sent the CO(conscientious objector) to Vietnam as combat medics,probably the most dangerous assignment there.One of my platoon medics was a CO.He would never carry a weapon,brave man that.........
Quote:And a "two year obligation" usually meant Nam didn't it?
You always hope that you wouldn't,but after seven months of training I was in Vietnam,cannon fodder that..........
I often wonder... - Ed Jewett - 13-06-2010
The draft will not likely ever be seen again: it could possibly put men and women with a conscience and some cognitive skills on the battlefield, would again become politically explosive (half the COINTELPRO, COG and perception management programs are devoted to or available to the suppression of anti-war dissent), and would "disable" in some sense the move towards the privatization of war where special units can operate as corporate entities and thus be beyond sight and accountability.
In 1966, I was blessed with an English teacher who taught (among other things) the poetry of World War I and who shunned me when I showed up after graduation in my "almost-a-soldier" pretend uniform, and I was blessed when a 6'6" football player practicing spring lacrosse indoors cross-checked me into a concrete-and-steel support beam, thus creating a knee injury that made me a 1-Y in the draft. My orthopaedic surgeon practiced in a town that to this day remains avowedly dissident in terms of war and justice.
I often wonder... - John Kowalski - 13-06-2010
Keith Millea Wrote:Quote:In Canada there was no draft and the first I heard of it at age 18 I was in shock. That you coul be actually be forced to go to war. This was during Vietnam. Of course I would have just gone back to Canada had I been a man and my number came up.I graduated from High School in June 1966.I married in April 1967,and was drafted into the Army in Feb.1968.This was before they used the lottery system.I had three choices:
>Run to Canada
>Go to jail
>Try to get through my 2 year obligation.
What's a young man supposed to do? :argh:
Here is a link about a proposed monument to Americans who went to Canada to avoid been drafted into the US army. The monument however, was not built.
John
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/09/08/draft_dogers040908.html