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US Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies - Magda Hassan - 21-03-2011 US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed with photos of murdered civilians Commanders brace for backlash of anti-US sentiment that could be more damaging than after the Abu Ghraib scandal
US Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies - Magda Hassan - 21-03-2011 Quote:Commanders brace for backlash of anti-US sentimentThe previous article has soooo much sympathy for the poor Commanders. Too bad about the dead Afghans. No sympathy for them. Mere bit players in the tragedy of the Commanders having to deal with the backlash of anti-American sentiment. Meanwhile, from the people who brought us more than 1,000,000 dead Iraqis and the utter destruction of 2 countries and all means to sustain a meaningful life there, we are being told that the 'mad man' Gaddafi was attacking his own people and there fore the civilized west must intervene by killing the people before Gaddafi does. And since when is Gaddafi killing US and Israeli contras killing Libyan civilians? US Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies - Jan Klimkowski - 21-03-2011 Der Spiegel has published three of the images, and they were flashed up very quickly on Channel 4 news this evening. They looked like archetypal trophy photos - akin to the image of the colonial big game hunter posing arrogantly, imperiously, over his slain prey. I've been unable to find them online, and they're not on Der Spiegel's international site. Here's a description: Quote:One of the pictures published by Der Spiegel shows a soldier, Specialist Jeremy N. Morlock of Wasilla, Alaska, posing, a grin on his face, next to a dead Afghan who is mostly undressed, his body streaked with blood, as the soldier is lifting the man's head up as if to show him off like a trophy. Specialist Morlock has been charged with murder. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/world/asia/22afghanistan.html US Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies - Jan Klimkowski - 08-08-2011 More allegations of fingers being sliced off as "trophies", this time by a British soldier. Quote:Soldier 'sliced off fingers of dead Taliban fighters as souvenirs' US Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies - Ed Jewett - 10-08-2011 I was reminded last night about the experiences of the US soldiers at the "battle" of Wounded Knee (1890), an avenging of the Battle of the Little Big Horn (Greasy Grass) (1876), in fear of the Ghost Dance implications, as well as the Sand Creek Massacre in November 1864. The use of Cherokees in the Civil War battle of Pea Ridge in Benton,Arkansas had Indians on both sides. "The Unionists organized Colonel John Drew's 1st Cherokee Mounted Rifles, while pro-Confederates organized Colonel Stand Watie's 2nd Cherokee Mounted Rifles. With the 1st Choctaw and Chickasaw Mounted Rifles, and the 1st Creek Regiment, Pike had a sizable force of Indian troops by early 1862." The article at the link asks questions about the meaning and origin of battlefield mutilation. "The silence surrounding the incident allowed non-Indian commentators to interpret it for their own purposes and within the context of European rather than Native American culture." "Scalping was practiced by some Native Americans before contact with Europeans. The French recorded its appearance among the Hurons in the sixteenth century. Eastern tribes such as the Creeks and Cherokees were known to have incorporated scalping into their activities, but it appears to have been most common among the Plains Indians. For all Native Americans who practiced scalping, it was important for purposes of symbolism and retribution. Taking the hair of one who had murdered a member of the family or tribe was a symbolic way of replacing the lost. The lock of hair also symbolized victory over an enemy and often was used as a decoration in celebrations. A form of mutilation itself, scalping naturally became part of a wider range of practices by some tribes that ranged from simply cutting the skin of dead enemies to castration. Among the Cherokees, before their removal to the Indian Territory, scalping was practiced for one of two reasons. First, scalping occurred as a means of exacting revenge for the killing of Cherokees by other Native Americans. It was done with a precise sense of justice. Cherokees took only enough lives and scalps to account for the number of slain Cherokees. In this way, a general war between neighboring tribes was avoided. Second, scalping occurred at the instigation of Europeans. During the French and Indian War, the British offered scalp bounties to the Cherokees, encouraging them to attack tribes allied with the French. Many young Cherokee men were so impressed by the lure of payment that they began to collect the scalps of any tribe that was available, even friendly peoples such as the Chickasaw. This not only threatened a war with the Chickasaw but represented a threat to the social values of the Cherokee Nation. A Cherokee leader named Little Carpenter, unable to punish the scalp-takers, finally asked the British to rescind their offer of scalp bounties. The episode at Pea Ridge obviously did not fall into the first category, scalping and mutilation as a form of revenge. Pea Ridge was the first major engagement between the Confederate Cherokees and the Union army, and there could have been no question of retaliation for a previous wrong. The episode at Pea Ridge does, however, fall directly into the second category. From the Cherokee perspective, the Civil War was a conflict between outsiders, and many of the Cherokees found themselves drawn into it only reluctantly. In the case of Pea Ridge, the two Cherokee regiments were nearly like mercenary troops coerced by politics and money into leaving the Indian Territory and fighting alongside Confederate troops for the defense of Arkansas. Those few Cherokees who took up the scalping knife were not paid bounties, but their role in Confederate service was analogous to their role as British allies a few generations earlier. John Bull and Johnny Reb both created a political-military situation that encouraged a few individuals to abuse a time-honored ritual of Cherokee culture." The emphasis I added is perhaps food for thought relative to the current environment of war. US Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies - Jan Klimkowski - 11-08-2011 Quote:For all Native Americans who practiced scalping, it was important for purposes of symbolism and retribution. Taking the hair of one who had murdered a member of the family or tribe was a symbolic way of replacing the lost. The lock of hair also symbolized victory over an enemy and often was used as a decoration in celebrations. A form of mutilation itself, scalping naturally became part of a wider range of practices by some tribes that ranged from simply cutting the skin of dead enemies to castration. So what is the psychological motivation for the slicing off and collection of fingers and other body parts of Afghans and other supposed Al Qaeda or Taliban fighters by American and European troops? My sense is that it is not for money and it is not to count the revenge exacted. I suspect that the motivation is closer to the trophy gathering of a big game hunter: hunter's boot planted on the corpse of the hunted as the camera snaps, the deer's horn cut and taken home to be mounted on the wall as evidence of the hunter's victory over the "beast". I welcome other views. US Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies - Keith Millea - 12-08-2011 Quote:I suspect that the motivation is closer to the trophy gathering of a big game hunter: hunter's boot planted on the corpse of the hunted as the camera snaps, the deer's horn cut and taken home to be mounted on the wall as evidence of the hunter's victory over the "beast". My view,is that hunting here in the Northwest is generational(passed down).This is still wild country,and hunting and fishing play a big part in family life.And,for sure no thoughts of "beasts",but more likely the word "Majestic",when bringing home a big Mule deer buck,or mature bull elk.Hell yes,hang that rack on the wall.Real hunting is an art form. Scalping: I watched the movie "Little Big Man" several days ago.Towards the end of the movie,Little Big Man(Dustin Hoffman),who is adopted by the Cheyenne chief,is talking with his "grandfather".The chief pulls out a scalp and says,"Now this guy has to live forever as a bald man." (paraphrasing) :curtain: US Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies - Ed Jewett - 12-08-2011 I am re-reading the Pulitzer Prize winning book by the cultural anthropologist Ernest Becker entitled "The Denial of Death" (Free Press, 1973). I am not going to try to summarize an entire book I read for the first time three and a half years ago, but here's the gist: man is an exceptional being in the way that we think we are different, special and immortal, but we aren't. Follow along in your hymnal here: http://www.ernestbecker.org/ and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Denial_of_Death and here: http://www.amazon.com/Denial-Death-Ernest-Becker/dp/0684832402 The taking of something from an "other" as a trophy probably helps accentuate the idea that the trophy-taker is unique, supreme (at least at that moment of encounter), and yet perhaps envious of something the "other" had that he didn't, doesn't or doesn't understand, and hopes he can somehow accrue through the talisman or trophy. Indeed, why do conquering peoples acquire the trappings of the civilization they just helped destroy? US Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies - Jan Klimkowski - 12-08-2011 Keith Millea Wrote:Scalping: Quality. :rasta: US Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies - Keith Millea - 12-08-2011 Ok,I found the real quote.So much better than my recollection. Jack Crabb is Dustin Hoffman (Little Big Man). Quote:Jack Crabb: Do you hate them? Do you hate the White man now? The word the chief uses to name the Cheyenne,is human beings.The name I'm familiar with is "The people". |