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US forces deny knowledge of mystery missile - Keith Millea - 10-11-2010
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Keith Millea Wrote:I think that was Timothy Leary's ashes being sent to outer space.:alberteinstein:
Again?!
His severed head is next.They just need to find a 5 gallon bucket and some ice.:burnout:
US forces deny knowledge of mystery missile - Magda Hassan - 11-11-2010
Move along, nothing to see here.
Quote:Pentagon says aircraft caused mystery 'missile' trail
A CBS News helicopter captured the vapour trail from near Los Angeles on Monday[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11731014#story_continues_1"]
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The Pentagon has said an aircraft, not a missile, was the probable cause of a condensation trail off the coast of California on Monday.
A CBS News helicopter captured what looked like a missile's vapour trail about 35 miles (56km) offshore.
The Pentagon made its announcement after examining video of the plume and its missile launch detection systems.
"There is no evidence to suggest it was anything other than an aeroplane," said Pentagon spokesman Col David Lapan.
The vapour trail, which some said appeared to be coming from a missile moving vertically into the sky, was filmed by the news helicopter near Los Angeles, in southern California.
The footage sparked wide media interest on Tuesday after the Pentagon said it was unable to explain the source of the vapour.
Some physicists said earlier on Tuesday they believed the trail had been left by an aircraft, and that on a clear day vapour can appear to rise vertically as the result of an optical illusion.
Under normal circumstances, the launch of a US missile would require several different authorisations and notifications.
Pentagon officials canvassed the US government, examined Federal Aviation Administration radar tracks and analysed their own missile launch detection systems before saying they were satisfied with the explanation that the plume was created by an aircraft.
Several planes but no rockets were detected by radar systems on Monday, Col Lapan said.
US forces deny knowledge of mystery missile - Peter Lemkin - 11-11-2010
Just a few problems with that. The helicopter crew and others said one could see at the top end of the trail the glow of a rocket engine - planes don't make that and it would be very easy for the flight controllers to tell exactly where every plane had traveled - the military has their own system that can do the same and yet they are stating that 'they think'.....not offering any proof. :bebored:
US forces deny knowledge of mystery missile - Magda Hassan - 11-11-2010
U.S. 'Notice to Mariners' Report May Explain Mystery Missile Launch
ShareThisU.S. 'Notice to Mariners' Report May Explain Mystery Missile Launch Posted by Lori Price, www.legitgov.org 11 Nov 2010 A 'Notice to Mariners' report entry may explain the missile launch earlier this week from Southern California waters near Catalina Island. Page 55 of the current 'Notice to Mariners' report, dated 6 November 2010, notes upcoming firing operations in that area. The report is published weekly by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and prepared jointly with the National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard.
NOTICE TO MARNERS
No. 45
06 NOVEMBER 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Published Weekly by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Prepared Jointly with the
National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard
No. 45
06 NOVEMBER 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Published Weekly by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Prepared Jointly with the
National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard
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SECTION III NM 45/10
NAVAREA XII
The summary of all NAVAREA XII messages in force as of 17 December 2009 is given in Section III of NM 52/09.
Warnings issued during the subsequent quarters are issued in NM 13/10, 26/10 and 39/10.
NAVAREA XII WARNINGS issued from 211100Z to 281230Z October 2010.
430/10(19).
NORTH PACIFIC.
HAWAII.
ORDNANCE.
1. UNDERWATER ORDNANCE DETONATIONS IN PROGRESS
UNTIL 281159Z OCT IN AREAS BOUND BY:
A. 22-05N 162-00W, 22-05N 165-00W,
21-55N 170-01W, 21-20N 170-00W,
21-29N 164-59W, 21-29N 162-00W.
B. 20-58N 162-00W, 20-56N 164-58W,
20-48N 170-00W, 20-14N 169-58W,
20-22N 164-57W, 20-25N 162-00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 281259Z OCT.
(221414Z OCT 2010)
431/10(GEN).
1. NAVAREA XII MESSAGES IN FORCE 230900Z OCT 10. ONLY THOSE
MESSAGES ISSUED DURING THE LAST SIX WEEKS ARE LISTED HEREIN.
2010 SERIES: 403(19), 424(18), 427(18), 430(19).
2. THE SUMMARY OF ALL NAVAREA XII MESSAGES IN FORCE AS OF
17 DEC 09 IS GIVEN IN SEC III OF NM 52/09. WARNINGS
ISSUED DURING THE SUBSEQUENT QUARTERS ARE SUMMARIZED
IN NM 13/10, 26/10 AND 39/10.
3. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 426/10.
(230926Z OCT 2010)
432/10. CANCELED.
433/10(19).
NORTH PACIFIC.
HAWAII.
MISSILES.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 290130Z TO 290700Z OCT,
ALTERNATE 300200Z TO 300730Z AND
310230Z TO 310800Z OCT
IN AREA BOUND BY
22-00N 159-46W, 22-07N 160-25W,
23-07N 161-49W, 24-25N 162-27W,
29-56N 170-20W, 32-47N 169-47W,
35-34N 164-15W, 36-03N 162-31W,
31-30N 161-28W, 27-00N 162-00W,
24-11N 160-10W, 22-39N 159-36W,
22-10N 159-44W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 310900Z OCT.
(240828Z OCT 2010)
434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
III-1.7
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US forces deny knowledge of mystery missile - Christer Forslund - 11-11-2010
Nov 10, 2010. [size=12][size=12]From Mike Rivero's [/SIZE][/SIZE]http://whatreallyhappened.com/
CONFIRMED: US NAVY WAS TESTING MISSILE LAUNCHES OFF THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA
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From page 55.
"434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
...
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
According to this official US Navy document the US Navy is indeed conducting live fire testing of missiles off the coast of California. This is a repeat of the situation with TWA 800 in which the US Navy at first denied knowing what missile it was that witnesses reported seeing only to have to admit to the ongoing tests of Aegis-CEC when the NOTAM surfaced days later.
Now, with this confirmation, I want to address this rumor being seeded all over the blogs about a Chinese nuclear submarine. This story tracks back to only one dubious source and the story is that a Chinese Jin class nuclear ballistic missile submarine launched the "Mystery Missile" as a show of force to the United States. This rumor needs to be stopped right now.
First off, while the Jin is much quieter than its predecessor the Xia (the running joke here in Hawaii is that you can drop a hydrophone off Kauai and hear the Xia subs idling at their base in Jianggezhuang), the Jin is far from the silent machines that the Ohio class subs are. And like all nuclear boats, the Jin leaves a thermal trace on the surface of the water in its wake that is detectable by satellite, as is the surface disturbance created by its submerged passing. Indeed, the ability to detect and track submerged submarines b y their surface wakes using synthetic aperture radar of the ocean surface was discovered back with SeaSat, which is one reason why the SOSUS networks have been turned over to the cetologists to track whale migrations.
Second, the Jin would not need to approach the United States to make their point. The Julang 2 missile launched from the Jin has an 8000 KM range.
Third, and most importantly, why would China do such a stupid thing? They have the upper hand at the G20. They do not need to show us a missile; they can destroy the United States with the IOUs. Provoking a war with China plays to the US' advantage as it gives the US Government an excuse not to honor their debts.
Fourth, we know from the NOTAM that the US Navy was in the area, which makes the possibility of an undetected approach even more unbelievable. Plus there is the inevitable fact that had the source of the Missile been anyone other than the US Navy, the Navy would have given chase to find the launch platform. It's the old "dog did not bark" logic. The Navy did not act like the source of the missile was unknown to them.
US forces deny knowledge of mystery missile - Peter Lemkin - 11-11-2010
BUT, the Navy and other services and Govt agencies in intimate contact with the Navy said they had NO idea what it was and then said it was a contrail from a plane...so they are telling lies - why and why oh why should an American or anyone else believe any part of the US Government says about anything [before, during, immediately after, long after]? I could easily come up wth a list of about 10.000 lies and cover-ups from memory and double or triple that with a little research! :bird:
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US forces deny knowledge of mystery missile - Christer Forslund - 11-11-2010
And they never do any mistakes, do they? ...
This quote is from the Los Angeles Times (November 9):
Quote:Aerospace experts who reviewed the footage said the size of the plume suggests it was a large military rocket or missile.
"The launch of a rocket that size doesn't belong to any commercial entity without them issuing a press release," said Marco Caceres, analyst with Teal Group Corp., a Fairfax, Va.-based aerospace research firm. "It can't belong to anyone but the military."
The lack of explanation from the Pentagon makes Caceres believe it may have been a mistake -- perhaps a defense exercise launched by accident.
Based on the footage, it is unclear where exactly the missile was coming from, but many analysts believe it originated near Naval Air Station Point Mugu in Ventura County, where missiles and missile defense exercises are regularly carried out.
Officials at the base, however, denied it was their missile.
"It didn't happen here," said Naval Base Ventura County spokeswoman Teri Reid. "There was no firing on the range yesterday."
US forces deny knowledge of mystery missile - Magda Hassan - 11-11-2010
Still remembering how the military bureaucracy works if there was a 'mistake' there will be a pile of paperwork a mile high that will have to be done from one department to another for years and years to come.
US forces deny knowledge of mystery missile - Ed Jewett - 11-11-2010
California Missile Story – Heavily Updated
November 11th, 2010 Just in case you’re following this one: Mystery Missile Launch Seen Off California Coast.
US forces deny knowledge of mystery missile - Peter Lemkin - 11-11-2010
They lie and then they lie about lying; they claim not to know what they know all too well and then claim not to have made know-nothing statements. It is all psyop stuff, mostly. The test of some rocket was secondary, IMO.