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JFK & LSD - Keith Millea - 04-01-2011
Leary admitted working for the CIA.I don't know where to find it,but Jan can post the interview.
JFK & LSD - Jan Klimkowski - 04-01-2011
Keith Millea Wrote:Leary admitted working for the CIA.I don't know where to find it,but Jan can post the interview.
For Walter Bowart's report on his, ahem, sessions with Tim Leary, see post #11 in the thread here, which has many valuable contributions.
JFK & LSD - Jim DiEugenio - 05-01-2011
Yes, Bowart.
BTW, the thing that wised me up about Leary's BS was reading Acid Dreams. That fantastic book on how the CIA plotted to bring LSD into the country as a way to cap off and seal the political activism of the sixties.
Leary figures prominently in that book. No one can read it and not see the suggestion that Leary was part of a not os clandestine move.
If you don't read that book, you can't really understand what happened to the USA after 1968.
Woodstock symbolized it.
JFK & LSD - Magda Hassan - 05-01-2011
http://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?713-Acid-Dreams-The-Complete-Social-History-of-LSD-The-CIA-The-Sixties-and-Beyond&highlight=acid+dreams
Here is the book Acid Dreams if any one wants to read it.
JFK & LSD - Robert Morrow - 05-01-2011
Just because Timothy Leary said it does not mean its not true. This could very well be true. I have not taken a firm stance on this theory yet - but I leans towards the thought that it is completely true.
One more thing, John Kennedy was an out of control sex freak - just like other important men who lead double lives - and he did a lot of crazy things with women.
The people (LBJ, CIA, military, Hoover) who murdered him used that as a one justification for their actions. They considered JFK soft on communism, reckless in his personal life, and MOST IMPORTANTLY a direct threat to their power (LBJ, CIA, Allen Dulles, Hoover): http://www.cwporter.com/jfksex.htm [Important note: Lyndon Johnson himself was seriously and clinically manic-depressive, as well as a flagrant adulterer. LBJ additionally was a stone cold killer.]
The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh is an excellent book to get inside the minds of the CIA killers of John Kennedy. It does a good job of detailing JFK's out of control womanizing as well as showing how Lyndon Johnson and Sam Rayburn on the night of 7/13/60 blackmailed John Kennedy into putting Johnson on the 1960 Democratic ticket.
Dark Side of Camelot summary: http://bztv.typepad.com/Winter/DarkSideSummary.pdf
JFK & LSD - Alan Dale - 05-01-2011
Magda Hassan Wrote:http://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?713-Acid-Dreams-The-Complete-Social-History-of-LSD-The-CIA-The-Sixties-and-Beyond&highlight=acid+dreams
Here is the book Acid Dreams if any one wants to read it.
Thank you, Magda.
Very helpful.
JFK & LSD - Alan Dale - 05-01-2011
Robert Morrow Wrote:One more thing, John Kennedy was an out of control sex freak - just like other important men who lead double lives - and he did a lot of crazy things with women.
The people (LBJ, CIA, military, Hoover) who murdered him used that as a one justification for their actions...[url=http://bztv.typepad.com/Winter/DarkSideSummary.pdf][/url]
That's a very ugly and useless characterization.
I've consulted the Rules of our hosts on this forum. Looks like there's not much else I might want to say that's permitted.
I do have an observation which I hope is not in violation of our civil guidelines:
President Kennedy could control neither the enemies who conspired to kill him nor the quality of his health. Your crude characterizations of his personal life are inaccurate and impolite, and do nothing to further your argument that Lyndon Johnson was the diabolical mastermind of the mother of all conspiracies in which he involved most of the people who were not assassinated in Dealey Plaza on Nov. 22, 1963.
If you have so little respect for President Kennedy's life, why do you concern yourself with the circumstances of his death?
JFK & LSD - Jim DiEugenio - 06-01-2011
Robert, I did not say that because Leary said it it was a lie.
I actually did research on this, like I usually do.
As I have noted, I went to three libraries to find as many of Leary's books as he wrote in the interim. I think I found almost all of them. I may have missed like four of 25. I sat at a table and scanned them all. Surely, if it had happened in 1962, Leary would have written about it in the 23 year interim, especailly when he was churning out a book a year.
He did not. Not even in books that chronicled his life as a drug smuggler. So we are to beleive that this striking looking woman one day just appears in his office. She then hints around at why she wants the drug. Then after JFK is dead she hints around some more as to why they really killed him, due to his awakening through her and Leary and his move toward peace. And somehow, Leary did not think this was important??
What a crock.
Now, when he did write about it in Flashbacks, he absolutely insisted that it stay in, even though his editor asked him for evidence. Which he had none. Further, and this is the icing on the cake, in that same book, he said he spent a night with Marilyn Monroe! Again, there was no evidence for this.
The guy wanted to sell books and he knew that these kinds of things, MM and JFK and LSD would do it. And he also understood that in the Reagan years, the tide had turned. This kind of smearing of JFK's legacy was now acceptable--the rightwing had won. So he teamed up with Liddy and did these circus show debates on campuses nationwide.
Which tells you all you need to know about what happened to America. When I was in college, we had people like Kunstler and Jane Fonda on campus. In the Reagan era, it was these two clowns.
That tells you a lot about American history, and how it was now in to urinate on Kennedy's grave. After all Liddy's call numbers on his radio channel were WJFK.
JFK & LSD - Phil Dragoo - 06-01-2011
But there is a big problem with Leary, his story, and those who use it (like biographers David Horowitz and Peter Collier). Leary did not mention Mary in any of his books until Flashbacks in 1983, more than two decades after he met Mary. It's not like he did not have the opportunity to do so. Leary was a prolific author who got almost anything he wanted published. He appears to have published over 40 books. Of those, at least 25 were published between 1962, when he says he met Mary, and 1983, when he first mentions her. Some of these books are month-to-month chronicles, e.g., High Priest. I could not find Mary mentioned, even vaguely, in any of the books. This is improbable considering the vivid, unforgettable portrait that Leary drew in 1983. This striking-looking woman walks in unannounced, mentions her powerful friends in Washington, and later starts dumping out the CIA's secret operations to control American elections to him. Leary, who mentioned many of those he turned on throughout his books, and thanks those who believed in him, deemed this unimportant. That is, until the 20th anniversary of JFK's death. (Which is when Rosenbaum wrote his ugly satire on the Kennedy research community for Texas Monthly, which in turn got him a guest spot on Nightline.) This is also when Leary began hooking up with Gordon Liddy, doing carnival-type debates across college campuses, an act which managed to rehabilitate both of them and put them back in the public eye.
The Assassinations
Ed. Jim DiEugenio and Lisa Pease
JFK: Section 4The Failure of the Fourth Estate
Page 342
From the relevant section at pp 341-2
JFK & LSD - Jim DiEugenio - 06-01-2011
Thanks Phil.
I think the book will be reprinted in a month or so.
Its out of print now and the price is way toe high on Amazon.