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JFK Blackmailed as a "Soviet Agent"? -- A Hypothesis - Charles Drago - 19-02-2011
Are we prepared to elevate the possibility of ideological blackmail to the popular status of sexual blackmail in the case of JFK?
If not, why not?
JFK Blackmailed as a "Soviet Agent"? -- A Hypothesis - Phil Dragoo - 19-02-2011
I recall the atmosphere after the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion. The Brigade's defeat, decimation and capture followed the humiliation of the downing, arrest and trial of Francis Gary Powers.
Ironically E. Howard Hunt's 1973 Give Us This Day sets the tone. At the time, the loudest cries of "Traitor!" came from the Cubans in Miami. In 1961 my Spanish teacher a graduate of the University of Havana assured me, "Ah, Felipe, Fidel es muy malo, muy malo."
Traitor SOB in the populace. Imagine the wrath in uniform and in cloak-and-dagger-stan.
Still playing with elements: JFK educated at London School of Economics under the avowed marxist Harold Lanski, the lad's father having been relieved of his ambassadorship for sympathies deemed unreliable.
William Donovan named by Roosevelt to head OSS by the intercession of William Stephenson that hero of Ian Fleming. Stephenson commenting to friend Stewart Menzies head of British intelligence that it was fortuitous that "one of our boys was named."
So perhaps from earliest days an institutional suspicion of JFK, perhaps confirmed by going wobbly on Bay of Pigs and missile crisis, a-tests and detente, Berlin Walls and First Strike eschewal.
See also Secret Service Agent Elmer Moore's troubling revelation to James Gouchenaur that the former regarded Kennedy as a traitor for giving things away to the Russians.
Can it be any wonder that the paranoid and outflanked Angleton did all he could to undercut the king; that the dethroned Dulles huffed and snorted of "little Kennedy. . .he thought he was some kind of god."
It is highly likely that the institutional prejudice went against Kennedy the peace-seeker as diabolically as Allen Drury's senators regarded anyone in a pink shirt.
We don't need no stinking trialshoot the traitor; repeat, shoot the traitor.
The deflection of the "communist" epithet to Oswald was window dressing. The message was as explicit as editor Dealey's defiant, "Americans want a leader on a horse, and you, President Kennedy are riding Caroline's bicycle."
This is a variation on the Nixonian treatment of the congresswoman he defeated; Red-baiting: always in season, no license required.
Bring your long arms to the Plaza. We ride at noon.
JFK Blackmailed as a "Soviet Agent"? -- A Hypothesis - Alan Dale - 19-02-2011
Phil Dragoo Wrote:I recall the atmosphere after the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion. The Brigade's defeat, decimation and capture followed the humiliation of the downing, arrest and trial of Francis Gary Powers.
Ironically E. Howard Hunt's 1973 Give Us This Day sets the tone. At the time, the loudest cries of "Traitor!" came from the Cubans in Miami. In 1961 my Spanish teacher a graduate of the University of Havana assured me, "Ah, Felipe, Fidel es muy malo, muy malo."
Traitor SOB in the populace. Imagine the wrath in uniform and in cloak-and-dagger-stan.
Still playing with elements: JFK educated at London School of Economics under the avowed marxist Harold Lanski, the lad's father having been relieved of his ambassadorship for sympathies deemed unreliable.
William Donovan named by Roosevelt to head OSS by the intercession of William Stephenson that hero of Ian Fleming. Stephenson commenting to friend Stewart Menzies head of British intelligence that it was fortuitous that "one of our boys was named."
So perhaps from earliest days an institutional suspicion of JFK, perhaps confirmed by going wobbly on Bay of Pigs and missile crisis, a-tests and detente, Berlin Walls and First Strike eschewal.
See also Secret Service Agent Elmer Moore's troubling revelation to James Gouchenaur that the former regarded Kennedy as a traitor for giving things away to the Russians.
Can it be any wonder that the paranoid and outflanked Angleton did all he could to undercut the king; that the dethroned Dulles huffed and snorted of "little Kennedy. . .he thought he was some kind of god."
It is highly likely that the institutional prejudice went against Kennedy the peace-seeker as diabolically as Allen Drury's senators regarded anyone in a pink shirt.
We don't need no stinking trialshoot the traitor; repeat, shoot the traitor.
The deflection of the "communist" epithet to Oswald was window dressing. The message was as explicit as editor Dealey's defiant, "Americans want a leader on a horse, and you, President Kennedy are riding Caroline's bicycle."
This is a variation on the Nixonian treatment of the congresswoman he defeated; Red-baiting: always in season, no license required.
Bring your long arms to the Plaza. We ride at noon.
As the great Johnny Mercer would say ^ Too marvelous for words.
Thank you.
JFK Blackmailed as a "Soviet Agent"? -- A Hypothesis - Charles Drago - 19-02-2011
Given all that we know about the way the deep political world operates, it is almost inconceivable that young Jack Kennedy would not have been considered a prime target of opportunity for OSS -- opportunistic secret servants.
Of all persuasions.
Whether or not an earlier Red recruitment -- or a Western operation designed to look like one -- had come close to snaring JFK, the Nazis would have seen the promiscuous son of the politically and economically formidable former U.S. ambassador to the Court of Saint James much as the Russians saw him: a prize catch.
A bankable asset.
Or was the Arvad affair simply a wet operation of the oldest, literal kind -- one that Soviet, Nazi, British, AND/OR American intelligence services co-opted and fictionalized into any number of scenarios for later use?
The sexual element of an Arvad-baited honeytrap was not an end unto itself, I'd argue, but rather the means to achieve the sort of control which a good old fashioned boy-bops-girl scandal could not hope to provide -- but which treason most foul would deliver handily.
And let us not overlook the value of (tall) tales of JFK's communist AND Nazi dalliances for their value as doppelgangers of sorts -- and for the cognitive and emotional dissonances they provoke to this day.
I've attached a collage of Arvad photos for review.
Also, there's a warm and inviting shot of Arvad and Adolph. Look at this one closely. Do you agree with me that it is a composite -- a fake -- given away by out-of-scale heads and torsos, inconsistent lighting, etc.?
Yes, we all know the stories of Arvad's two interviews with Hitler and her presence in his private box at the 1936 Olympics. But the intimacy captured in what I see as a faked photo reeks of an intel prop -- one to be utilized if and when a photo of JFK and Arvad was released.
Such as the one seen below, which I recently discovered on the Internet. This too is a clumsy fabrication.
How might we expect JFK to have reacted to ideological blackmail in 1960? Quite differently than he likely would have reacted in 1963, I'd wager.
But all of this may be moot if, as I've ventured in a previous "hypothesis" thread, John Fitzgerald Kennedy was marked for public execution for reasons that transcend superficial political and economic realities.
JFK Blackmailed as a "Soviet Agent"? -- A Hypothesis - Charles Drago - 19-02-2011
A quick bump to draw attention to photos newly attached to my previous and expanded post.
C.D.
JFK Blackmailed as a "Soviet Agent"? -- A Hypothesis - Albert Doyle - 23-02-2011
If you add the suggested premise of this thread to my last post in the "High Cabal" thread you can see that it would be possible to set-up Kennedy as a traitor who was turned way back in his college days as Charles hypothesizes. You can then add this as reinforcement of the possible plot with the NSAM documents I outlined in the "High Cabal" thread. They could then attribute this college age change of allegiance to the traitorous letters between Kennedy and Khrushchev and parlay it into Kennedy treason.