Albert Doyle Wrote:Good article. Perhaps all the Torbitt suspects were good macro-patsies because they all prospered in some way from the assassination. That way they would all be somewhat indirectly involved and therefore not give too much resistance to the crime.


I'm confused about the Permindex reference. Are you saying Flammonde's version of Permindex is accurate? The article says people can't be blamed for being sucked-in to Permindex theories but never quite exonerates Permindex for what the Italian government kicked Permindex out of Italy for.


I read the article in combination with an article written by DiEugenio outlining the snowballing of spurious branches of the conspiracy:


http://www.ctka.net/djm.html


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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:

Seamus Coogan Wrote:Sure he (PDS) may have some insight into mechanisms of government. But so has Bill Blum, Naomi Klein, Michael Moore and Joel Bakan without the Bullshit!

Seamus - have you read Peter Dale Scott's work on Continuity of Government, or the international drugs trade?

Putting Michael Moore ahead of PDS as a researcher is plain risible. Moore is first and foremost a communicator.

Albert Doyle Wrote:I'm confused about the Permindex reference. Are you saying Flammonde's version of Permindex is accurate? The article says people can't be blamed for being sucked-in to Permindex theories but never quite exonerates Permindex for what the Italian government kicked Permindex out of Italy for.


I read the article in combination with an article written by DiEugenio outlining the snowballing of spurious branches of the conspiracy:


http://www.ctka.net/djm.html


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Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Seamus Coogan will have some interesting observations on Permindex in his upcoming article at CTKA.

THese will be contained in a review of the latest Johnson did it BS, Joseph Farrell's "LBJ and the Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy". This mish mash makes the Nelson book look like it was written by Sylvia Meagher and Philip Melanson. I don't even think Fetzer will interview this guy.

Anyway, if you can beleive it, at this late date, Farrell fell in love with the Torbitt Document. So Seamus discusses Torbitt and then analyzes what can be termed three groups of writing on Permindex, bu tnot quite in the following terms:

1. Paris FLammonde, Garrison, myself, and Bill Davy.

2. Steve Dorrill, Robin Ramsey and Max Holland.

3. Torbitt, and Executive Intelligence Review.

The first is clearly the most accurate. Permindex was a CIA affiliate that was involved in some reactionary skulduggery and probably was part of the Gladio apparatus.

THe next two are pieces of disinformation--one which tries to deny the facts, and the second which tries to wildly exaggerate them.

For Farrell to fall for Torbitt shows just how bad a writer he is and how bad his book is. Torbitt was clearly a CIA concoction meant to mislead by throwing out so many suspects that one could not keep up with them.

Seamus Coogan Wrote:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:

Seamus Coogan Wrote:Sure he (PDS) may have some insight into mechanisms of government. But so has Bill Blum, Naomi Klein, Michael Moore and Joel Bakan without the Bullshit!

Seamus - have you read Peter Dale Scott's work on Continuity of Government, or the international drugs trade?

Putting Michael Moore ahead of PDS as a researcher is plain risible. Moore is first and foremost a communicator.

Jan Dale Scott is an English Professor and Poet yet he is somehow better than Moore? Furthermore, I'd rather read Moore regardless. At least he can write and 'communicate' Dale Scott dithers and is needlessly convoluted. I've read some of his articles and they have nuggets but are appallingly contructed. After reading Deep Politics I'm sorry Jan.

I'm sure he may have some good stuff on drugs. But I'll take a punt elsewhere. And I'll take a punt with some as 'unqualified' as MM anyday of the week,

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:

Seamus Coogan Wrote:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:

Seamus Coogan Wrote:Sure he (PDS) may have some insight into mechanisms of government. But so has Bill Blum, Naomi Klein, Michael Moore and Joel Bakan without the Bullshit!

Seamus - have you read Peter Dale Scott's work on Continuity of Government, or the international drugs trade?

Putting Michael Moore ahead of PDS as a researcher is plain risible. Moore is first and foremost a communicator.

Jan Dale Scott is an English Professor and Poet yet he is somehow better than Moore? Furthermore, I'd rather read Moore regardless. At least he can write and 'communicate' Dale Scott dithers and is needlessly convoluted. I've read some of his articles and they have nuggets but are appallingly contructed. After reading Deep Politics I'm sorry Jan.

I'm sure he may have some good stuff on drugs. But I'll take a punt elsewhere. And I'll take a punt with some as 'unqualified' as MM anyday of the week,

Seamus - you go right ahead with that punt.

Given a choice, I'll turn to Peter Dale Scott first.

Here's a drugs piece, and here's a CoG piece.