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DiEugenio exposes Caro - Dawn Meredith - 29-07-2012
Albert Doyle Wrote:Jim's review is so thorough and well-timed that it invokes a speech-maker who has delivered such a perfect response, followed by a pause, followed by single claps that then erupt into grand applause. I'm sure most in this room feel that way whether they posted or not. Like with Reclaiming History more is learned about the book from Jim's review than the actual book itself.
As for Caro, the unspeakable once again remains unspoken.
I could not agree more. Thank you Jim for the time and effort you put into this thorough review that shows how totally intellectually dishonest Caro is.
I have shared it on facebook and I hope my many friends there will as well. This is what deserves to be read, not the pack of lies served up by Caro.
We know full well why he so carefully wrote this trash. Have to keep up the cover story after all. Even after all these years.
May all who read and praise him rot.
I weep over what is sold as "history".
Dawn
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Dawn Meredith - 29-07-2012
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Caro has a web site:
http://www.robertcaro.com/
Let us start sending him links to my review of his bad and chicken hearted book.
I did. I hope many others do as well.
Bravo.
Dawn
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Jim DiEugenio - 30-07-2012
Thanks Dawn.
I hope everyone else does too.
Please post it around anywhere you can, hopefully it will go viral and smoke this guy out.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Albert Doyle - 30-07-2012
The number of people willing to ignore the facts and paint Kennedy as an aggressive Cold Warrior disgusts me. It's very simple. If Kennedy was an aggressive Cold Warrior he wouldn't have been assassinated by the right-wingers who placed Johnson in there to carry out their wishes with VietNam and other aggressive policies. I can't believe these cowardly shitheels whose sole purpose is maintaining the false cheezy image of American credibility.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Charles Drago - 30-07-2012
Albert Doyle Wrote:The number of people willing to ignore the facts and paint Kennedy as an aggressive Cold Warrior disgusts me. It's very simple. If Kennedy was an aggressive Cold Warrior he wouldn't have been assassinated by the right-wingers who placed Johnson in there to carry out their wishes with VietNam and other aggressive policies. I can't believe these cowardly shitheels whose sole purpose is maintaining the false cheezy image of American credibility.
Albert,
We are in agreement regarding the misinterpretation and mischaracterizations of JFK as an "aggressive Cold Warrior."
I take extreme issue with your second sentence, however.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Albert Doyle - 30-07-2012
I meant it more in the context of Ronald Reed's false propaganda is very simple to undo. The conspiracy itself was about as complicated as it could get.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Jim DiEugenio - 30-07-2012
There's an interesting debate going on over at Consortium.
Francois Carlier, as I could have predicted, jumped in, even though he knows next to nothing about Kennedy's presidency, and even less than that about Johnson's.
And then there is some history professor named Harrington who says I am being unfair to Caro. Unfair? I actually think I am being too fair to the guy.
And then there is this Reed guy who looks like a Chomsky/Cockburn (RIP) acolyte. The thing is, there has not been any debate like this anywhere about Caro's book. Because I am the first and only writer to really go after him in detail.
Join in if you can, its getting spirited.
And please post it around as much as possible--let's go viral and make this a huge debate over whether Caro valued his narrative over the facts.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Dawn Meredith - 30-07-2012
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:There's an interesting debate going on over at Consortium.
Francois Carlier, as I could have predicted, jumped in, even though he knows next to nothing about Kennedy's presidency, and even less than that about Johnson's.
And then there is some history professor named Harrington who says I am being unfair to Caro. Unfair? I actually think I am being too fair to the guy.
And then there is this Reed guy who looks like a Chomsky/Cockburn (RIP) acolyte. The thing is, there has not been any debate like this anywhere about Caro's book. Because I am the first and only writer to really go after him in detail.
Join in if you can, its getting spirited.
And please post it around as much as possible--let's go viral and make this a huge debate over whether Caro valued his narrative over the facts.
Holy crap. How much is Carlier getting paid I wonder. He is responding to every post and is beyond annoying. He's there just to waste peoples' time.
I mean are there not only 100 people in the damn world who still believe the official lie?
I see several posting your piece on fb Jim. I will re-post in a few days.
Dawn
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Jim DiEugenio - 31-07-2012
BTW, I am pretty sure Caro has a Facebok page.
If we can let us mass post it there so he cannot ignore it.
Maybe if we badger him enough, he will have to acknowledge what he did.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Nathaniel Heidenheimer - 31-07-2012
Albert Doyle Wrote:It disgusts me to see the entity Colby trying to say NSAM 111 proved Kennedy was a war hawk on VietNam. Douglass more or less shows NSAM 111 was Kennedy's way of placating the right post-Bay Of Pigs and prior to the Missile Crisis. The only reason was to bide time for the planning of a Laos-like neutralization pact and negotiations. Colby is a liar who tries to pose a reluctant stop-gap measure as intent.-------
Also, as Kaiser points out, the additional advisors was done in the face of NSC presumption in continuing the nuclear option that was left over from the "Eisenhower years" So, even with the above caveats, that is not enough because JFK upped the advisors as an move away from the ambiguously lingering permanent military intel bureaucracy policy of defending Vietnam with 5,000 advisors PLUS nukes.
The nuclear option was not merely a 1954 thing. JFK was trying to take it off the table for good.