Charles Drago Wrote:

David Josephs Wrote:Who stands to GAIN more from the TRILLIONS being haggled over - regardless of which way it falls?

CD?

Those for whom money is meaningless.

Quote:I told him (Vincent Salandria) that I viewed his work on the Kennedy assassination as very likely having saved my life.

Quote:Knowing what I know now, and being then, as now, committed to historical truth, I would have not changed my earliest statement that the Kennedy assassination was a crime of the U.S. warfare state. But I would not have endeavored to rally people to confront as I did the assassins. I know now that the U.S. public never did want to accept the U.S. warfare state as the criminal institutional structure that it is. I know now, that even if the U.S. public ever was ready to accept the true historical meaning of the Kennedy assassination, that there are and have been no institutional structures open to them with which they could hope to countervail successfully the Kennedy killers, the enormous power of the U.S. empire and its warfare state.

Quote:The Warren Commission Report, through its lies, served to calm the U.S. public in a period of great crisis. If any serious domestic or foreign effort had been made to counter the coup, the weaponry commanded by the state criminals would have resulted in catastrophic loss of life. Therefore, in my judgment of Arlen Specter I defer to the wisdom of Sophocles, who said: "Truly, to tell lies is not honorable; but where truth entails tremendous ruin, to speak dishonorably is pardonable."

David Josephs Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:

David Josephs Wrote:Who stands to GAIN more from the TRILLIONS being haggled over - regardless of which way it falls?

CD?

Those for whom money is meaningless.

no such animal CD... you think the vatican is powerful cause G~d is on their side? please.

Name any such animal that does not retain such power and control without the generation and or CONTROL of the money...

Charles Drago Wrote:

David Josephs Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:

David Josephs Wrote:Who stands to GAIN more from the TRILLIONS being haggled over - regardless of which way it falls?

CD?

Those for whom money is meaningless.

no such animal CD... you think the vatican is powerful cause G~d is on their side? please.

Name any such animal that does not retain such power and control without the generation and or CONTROL of the money...

Who said anything about the Vatican?

Please re-read my response, open your mind, and be very careful about how you represent my positions.

David, you clearly have no idea of what I'm thinking. If we're to maintain a civil discourse, do not -- repeat, do NOT -- attribute to me positions I have not taken.

Am I clear?

Thank you.

David Josephs Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:

David Josephs Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:Those for whom money is meaningless.

no such animal CD... you think the vatican is powerful cause G~d is on their side? please.

Name any such animal that does not retain such power and control without the generation and or CONTROL of the money...

Who said anything about the Vatican?

Please re-read my response, open your mind, and be very careful about how you represent my positions.

David, you clearly have no idea of what I'm thinking. If we're to maintain a civil discourse, do not -- repeat, do NOT -- attribute to me positions I have not taken.

Am I clear?

Thank you.

it was a metaphor Charles.... moneyless power (even backed by G~d) does not exist in this world
so please state your postion for me... I've had enough pronouns


Name or point me in the direction of "those" for whom money is meaningless AND can be in the league to sponsor, cause and benefit from executive actions,
war, civic unrest, economic boon and decline... etc...

sincerely and respectfully
DJ

David Josephs Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:Many, at all levels of the conspiracy, with motives both shared and all their own.

But if we can identify the Sponsors' motive(s), we can effect justice.

I dont see how that follow Charles....

The motives are pretty easily understandable.... how does knowledge of motive help us effect justice when JUSTICE is something that, well...
which JUSTICE are you referring to CD? and how exactly do you see JUSTICE being served in this case?

From my POV the very system itself has INJUSTICE built-in as "people" run the system and "people" are the very root of the injustice based on each's conception of entitlement,
natural domination, and outright greed.

So we know that the CFR clan were the sponsors... all the way back to the finance and intelligence halls of EURASIA
their motive remains the same as always... manipulate world political and economic forces to gain the greatest benefit in terms of power, ownership and profit.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/ while this remains at the extreme edge of optimism... it is a step into a different paradigm....

what JUSTICE did you have in mind CD?
DJ


Variations of justiceUtilitarianism is a form of consequentialism, where punishment is forward-looking. Justified by the ability to achieve future social benefits resulting in crime reduction, the moral worth of an action is determined by its outcome.
Retributive justice regulates proportionate response to crime proven by lawful evidence, so that punishment is justly imposed and considered as morally correct and fully deserved. The law of retaliation (lex talionis) is a military theory of retributive justice, which says that reciprocity should be equal to the wrong suffered; "life for life, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."[SUP][7][/SUP]
Restorative justice is concerned not so much with retribution and punishment as with (a) making the victim whole and (b) reintegrating the offender into society. This approach frequently brings an offender and a victim together, so that the offender can better understand the effect his/her offense had on the victim.
Distributive justice is directed at the proper allocation of thingswealth, power, reward, respectamong different people.

Dawn Meredith Wrote:

David Josephs Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:Many, at all levels of the conspiracy, with motives both shared and all their own.

But if we can identify the Sponsors' motive(s), we can effect justice.

I dont see how that follow Charles....

The motives are pretty easily understandable.... how does knowledge of motive help us effect justice when JUSTICE is something that, well...
which JUSTICE are you referring to CD? and how exactly do you see JUSTICE being served in this case?

From my POV the very system itself has INJUSTICE built-in as "people" run the system and "people" are the very root of the injustice based on each's conception of entitlement,
natural domination, and outright greed.

So we know that the CFR clan were the sponsors... all the way back to the finance and intelligence halls of EURASIA
their motive remains the same as always... manipulate world political and economic forces to gain the greatest benefit in terms of power, ownership and profit.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/ while this remains at the extreme edge of optimism... it is a step into a different paradigm....

what JUSTICE did you have in mind CD?
DJ


Variations of justiceUtilitarianism is a form of consequentialism, where punishment is forward-looking. Justified by the ability to achieve future social benefits resulting in crime reduction, the moral worth of an action is determined by its outcome.
Retributive justice regulates proportionate response to crime proven by lawful evidence, so that punishment is justly imposed and considered as morally correct and fully deserved. The law of retaliation (lex talionis) is a military theory of retributive justice, which says that reciprocity should be equal to the wrong suffered; "life for life, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."[SUP][7][/SUP]
Restorative justice is concerned not so much with retribution and punishment as with (a) making the victim whole and (b) reintegrating the offender into society. This approach frequently brings an offender and a victim together, so that the offender can better understand the effect his/her offense had on the victim.
Distributive justice is directed at the proper allocation of thingswealth, power, reward, respectamong different people.

David , I find nothing about the venus project "optimistic". Have you noticed the similarity to Agenda 21?

Dawn

Sorry for going off topic...This discussion deserves its own thread.