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Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Ed Jewett - 05-05-2011
Wednesday, May 4, 2011
"On the Rocks," The Re-Death of Bin Laden's Frozen Corpse (BBC/VT Broadcast)
THE "OSAMA-SICKLE"
THE FAIRY TALES START AGAIN…
Osama bin Laden's death, who do you believe?
BBC WORLD SERVICE WITH VETERANS TODAY EDITORS ALAN SABROSKY AND GORDON DUFF DISCUSSING THE "DEATH" OF OSAMA BIN LADEN
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
The incident this week in Abbottabad, Pakistan was always intended to be "self-discrediting." In a time of rigged voting machines and rule by decree, a time of military tribunals and tortured defendants, the concept of evidence and accountability is a joke. Consider the current bin Laden farce what it was intended to be, the American government reminding its people and the people of the world how little respect it has for them.
There is no need for conspiracy theory, no need for talk of hoaxes, we have gone far beyond that. Evidence of bin Laden's death being covered up by the Bush administration is, not only overwhelming, but long ago entered the public domain.
As the hours pass and reality soaks in, a more serious question arises; "Why now?"
Newshounds and insiders are aware that Wikileaks has been proven to have ties to an intelligence organization hostile to, not just Iran and Pakistan but the United States as well. Though the story broke last summer, it wasn't until early December, 2010 that Zbigniew Brzezinski provided confirmation. So when Wikileaks, only a few days ago, announced that a nuclear weapon had been placed "underneath" a major European target by "Al Qaeda" to be detonated upon the capture of Osama bin Laden, a man most knew to be dead for a decade, "insiders" became both fearful and vigilant.
Real insiders are far more wary of threats from Wikileaks than "Al Qaeda." Wikileak threats come true, is that, just perhaps, because they come from people capable of making them come true?
Two things happened:
Intelligence agencies across Europe went on full alert, searching for a nuclear weapon
A vigil began, seeing how many hours before Osama bin Laden's corpse would be "killed" in a heroic episode of "counter-terrorism" that would also be used to damn Pakistan.
The idea of bin Laden's death has settled in. The factions have taken stock, conspiracy theorists, the government apologists and disinformationalists and the professionals. Years ago, top military and intel insiders had all agreed bin Laden died in late 2001. The CIA's director, Leon Panetta, now Secretary of Defense stated, flat out, that nothing had been heard of bin Laden since "late 2001." By saying this, he indicated with categorical certainty, that all supposed Al Qaeda or bin Laden statements since that time were deemed "unreliable" by the CIA.
Expect video of bin Laden's killing to be released, medals to be given out, backs to be slapped and, as usual, pockets to be lined. The videos could be as old as the frozen corpse of bin Laden himself, dumped into the Indian Ocean.
There has been little out of Washington DC since the "world domination" cabal, PNAC (Project for a New American Century) or the Brzezinski "World Chessboard" counterparts outlined the need for a "Pearl Harbour scale" event with a "cardboard cutout" boogeyman to act as backdrop for re-engineering the face of the planet. After the "event," we would see the seizure of Central Asia's hydrocarbon resources, the collapse of the world's monetary systems and a political upheaval to spread across the world that would leave every political institution in every country vulnerable to the dictates of an unseen "globalist" hand.
Is there any surprise that the "reported" killing of Osama bin Laden has not been accepted in the United States as more than "ho hum" news? First off, the wingnuts have created a new Obama conspiracy and, as usual, they have gotten it totally wrong. The staging of the bin Laden "street theatre" has far more ominous consequences than the simple manipulation of public opinion in the United States.
Now, out from under rocks, from the deepest recesses of the political world, the long discredited characters like Donald Rumsfeld, are now crawling out into the sunlight, fabricating wild conspiracy tales to support their criminal acts, the kidnapping, murder and torture that they inflicted on the world on a scale not seen since the death of Adolf Hitler.
Let's not let facts get in the way.
First of all, for those of you who don't know it, bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, was charged with nothing about it. Secondly, the criminal charges against bin Laden were not backed by any evidence, not enough for an honest indictment.
Osama bin Laden was a CIA fundraiser with no experience whatsoever in terrorist activities, military planning, weapons, explosives or leading people. Furthermore, Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator (and VT staff writer) had, during her employment, seen documents verifying Osama bin Laden's continued service to the United States, even on 9/11/2001. He was assisting the CIA in funding covert operations while the World Trade Center was being demolished and the documents prove it.
The reports released to the public, beginning with the falsified "death photo" published by the Associated Press to the stories of bin Laden using his wife as a "human shield" are, each, wilder than the rest. Each story is carefully calculated to misdirect attention from real questions of import. Asking how real or imaginary bin Laden, most likely no more alive than a chicken leg after a microwave defrost cycle, "acted" when confronted by 25 Navy Seals is no more valid than those dedicated to 9/11 Truth bickering about explosive compounds that brought down Building 7 when the real issues of who was responsible are allowed to "slip away" unnoticed like a thief in the night.
What can we say about Osama bin Laden? He is certainly dead now and has, in all probability, been dead for a decade. We can also expect that his "public" death will act as a harbinger of misfortune for the world, heralding a period of long calculated destabilization aimed at Pakistan and Iran, but ultimately striking the heart of America and NATO.
What we can expect is an act of carefully staged "false flag" revenge.
The frozen body of Osama bin Laden, very real "currency," would not have been spent on less.
http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2011/05/on-rocks-re-death-of-bin-ladens-frozen.html
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Peter Lemkin - 05-05-2011
Ed Jewett Wrote:25-Minute blackout during raid on bin Laden compound
May 4, 2011 by legitgov
25-Minute blackout during raid on bin Laden compound --The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events. 04 May 2011 Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off. A photograph released by the White House appeared to show the President and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.
http://www.legitgov.org/25-Minute-blackout-during-raid-bin-Laden-compound
Well, this story [and it seems to be ONLY a story, at this point] is getting mighty strange; and stranger and stranger ad infinitum. I haven't double-checked the above [if one can indeed check anything well in the dark world of spookdom!], but if so, we really have been sold a phony story and they didn't even send out the same script to everyone...as it keeps changing! Then what the hell were they watching....and if they thought it was live, but was on 'time delay' that allows for all kinds of mischief in editing, changing, etc.....just like the Z film diversion to Kodak. Again, it seems to show that a President is not the one in control - though they may think they are [that, I even doubt].
I agree highly with Magda, Jan and others who are putting more emphasis [at this point] on the why now? question, than the if OBL died long ago, not so long ago or on Monday. Perhaps he is still alive, for all I know....but it is not likely, as that would really be embarrassing..but in spookdom, all is possible. Any false reality can be created. I think it is too early to draw all the evidence, versions, morphing of the story and other information from Monday's piece of theater in Pakistan. The role of OBL as America's main bogeyman was quite an accomplishment. If they chose to close it down, they must have a new one at hand. The article a few pages back connecting quite well the release [in various redacted forms] of the GITMO files to the events on Monday are very interesting, as one prisoner's file showed that he had been known to be OBL's courier and to live in the same town as the 'OBL compound' and travel often to Afghanistan and other places of 'interest' since 2005, if not before. Why wait six years, if this is so?
Jim F., I don't discount that OBL might have long been dead and it will be easier to examine both [or all] versions of his deaths in a few months. There may well have been more than one OBL, as there were more than one LHO! Will the real OBL please roll over in his grave!
I think more than anything this all shows how we [and the Sheeple, the general public] are manipulated with false stories, changing stories - with no logic for the changes, fabricated events, stories, legends and wars and conflicts, operations and black ops for reasons other than we are told [if we are told at all they ever happened]. If anyone had any illusions that the Bush nightmare was over with Obama, they should by now have been disabused of that! The Covert State, the Deep Political State is firmly in control, the propaganda apparatus well-oiled and, sadly, most are entirely fooled. At least there still are some who can see they are being lied to and misled and attempt to see through all the smoke and mirrors. Carry on.
Jack, great definition of a true Patriot!
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Albert Doyle - 05-05-2011
Maybe they are putting out deliberately doctored photos in order to do psy-ops against people who accuse them of doctoring photos. That way they could play with conspiracy theorists' heads whether the event was real or not.
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - James H. Fetzer - 05-05-2011
The Great Osama Bin Laden Hoax
How the FBI made up a bogey man
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/59.html
The Nine Lives of Osama bin Laden
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1092.html
Osama bin Laden A US invention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZNO8gEMQ1U&feature=uploademail
CIA veteran doubts the bin Laden story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3gu4l1SdGM&feature=uploademail
Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek7ZHenQnu4
Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnV_pNe_BB0&feature=related
Osama bin Laden is Dead (2007)
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/242.html
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Peter Lemkin - 05-05-2011
Albert Doyle Wrote:Maybe they are putting out deliberately doctored photos in order to do psy-ops against people who accuse them of doctoring photos. That way they could play with conspiracy theorists' heads whether the event was real or not.
Even the term 'real or not' has lost its meaning - in the events on Monday or any other [fill in the black] covert op / assassination / war and reason for war / bankster op / election fraud / etc. / ad naseum. How 'real' can it be [yes, somethings happened, and likely some people really got killed] when the story keeps changing?....despite at least 20 top honchos watched in real time [or were they?] and hundreds of others behind the scenes watched and recorded all.
Yes, they are always playing with people's heads, but I think they care less about the few researchers or those who see past the smoke and mirrors, who question the official versions - but are focused on Mr. and Ms. 'We are number one! Go America!' crowd. They are as clay in the hands of the puppeteers.
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - James H. Fetzer - 05-05-2011
This means that the photograph showing the White House watching the faked event of a Seal team killing a man who was already dead was itself staged! The incompetence of this administration with its phony birth certificate and now this fabricated murder of a man who died in Afghanistan on or about 15 December 2011 is a farce, something we might expect from the Marx Brothers or perhaps of "The Three Stooges"!
Ed Jewett Wrote:25-Minute blackout during raid on bin Laden compound
May 4, 2011 by legitgov
25-Minute blackout during raid on bin Laden compound --The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events. 04 May 2011 Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off. A photograph released by the White House appeared to show the President and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.
http://www.legitgov.org/25-Minute-blackout-during-raid-bin-Laden-compound
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Jack White - 05-05-2011
Ed Jewett Wrote:Jack White Wrote:A "true" patriot is one whose only agenda is TRUTH, regardless of what the truth may be. A "true" patriot thinks for himself and does not represent any governmental or political entity. A "true" patriot has his eyes wide open and his brain in gear running on all cylinders to examine all viewpoints and facts objectively, without regard to other views. A "true" patriot is not a "superpatriot" who blindly follows an extreme viewpoint established by others. A "true" patriot can discern phoniness in persons and facts, and is well grounded in information and facts. A "true" patriot can assimilate and compare "official stories", propaganda, and documentation to determine truth. A "true" patriot loves his country, but recogizes its faults when it is wrong. A "true"patriot is more intelligent and in better control of facts than the ordinary patriotic average citizen.
Many thanks, Jack. Well stated, and certainly something for me to hold out in front of me as a standard and a goal. May I use this statement elsewhere?
Of course anyone can use it. It is only a common sense definition
that anyone could make.
Thanks.
Jack
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - James H. Fetzer - 05-05-2011
What happened right before the OBL event?
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1093.html
My opinion is that there were multiple reasons:
(1) the fake birth-certificate was backfiring;
(2) troops in Pakistan were causing problems;
(3) the Guantanamo trials were not going over;
(4) enthusiasm for the "war on terror" is waning;
(5) too many are being killed by predator drones;
(6) his poll numbers were falling into the toilet;
By now declaring that Osama has been killed, he
~(1) wiped the birth-certificate issue off the board;
~(2) created enthusiasm for having troops in Pakistan;
~(3) calmed criticism of using torture at Guantanamo;
~(4) rekindled public toleration for the "war on terror";
~(5) distracts from killing 140 innocents for each target;
~(6) bumps his poll numbers, at least for the time being.
What he and his staff did not anticipate was that this kind
of blatant fakery is something that a large segment of the
public can see through and has the potential to backfire.
If they are willing to stage a White House photograph that
includes the President and the Secretary of State watching
a fake event that they could not have seen, all bets are off.
Steve Franklin Wrote:Jan Klimkowski Wrote:And this is the nub.
It is entirely possible that Bin Laden died in December 2001. It is not proven on the available evidence.
It is entirely possible that Bin Laden (or a version of Bin Laden) died in May 2011. It is not proven on the available evidence.
My own view, as stated throughout this thread, is that the most important deep political question is not whether Bin Laden died, but why the American President decided to kill the legend of Osama on May 2, 2011?
WHY NOW?
This question matters regardless of whether Bin Laden died in December 2001, May 2011, is still alive, never existed, etc etc etc.
Why has Obama decided to declare, with full fanfare, that this impotent, iconic, phantasm has been ritually slaughtered by American heroes at this moment in time?
Many of us on this thread have drawn attention to the sloppy nature of the production. Indeed, I've recorded some of the original official MSM narrative in this thread, so that we can watch it unravel in real time. And unravelling it is, at a breakneck speed.
It is important that we continue to investigate and unpick the officially presented "evidence" to discover what really happened, and why this charade has been played now.
As to when Bin Laden died, you may well be correct. But none of us knows for sure.
Presumably, Obama did it now for the same reasons he released his birth certificate now; for the same reasons he shuffled his cabinet/CIA now. And I'm sure if you looked closely enough, you'd find other things he has done now. I don't know precisely why he's doing them, but I do know they are of a single piece of cloth. Perhaps it's just the beginning of Campaign 2012.
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - James H. Fetzer - 05-05-2011
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24625
SKEPTICISM: The Agendas Behind the Bin Laden News Event
When the Lie Becomes the Truth...
by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
Global Research, May 4, 2011
The US government's bin Laden story was so poorly crafted that it did not last 48 hours before being fundamentally altered. Indeed, the new story put out on Tuesday by White House press secretary Jay Carney bears little resemblance to the original Sunday evening story. The fierce firefight did not occur. Osama bin Laden did not hide behind a woman. Indeed, bin Laden, Carney said, "was not armed."
The firefight story was instantly suspicious as not a single SEAL got a scratch, despite being up against al Qaeda, described by former Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld as the most dangerous, best-trained, vicious killers on the face of the earth."
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=43817
Every original story detail has been changed. It wasn't bin Laden's wife who was murdered by the Navy SEALs , but the wife of an aide. It wasn't bin Laden's son, Khalid, who was murdered by the Navy SEALs, but son Hamza.
Carney blamed the changed story on "the fog of war." But there was no firefight, so where did the "fog of war" come from?
The White House has also had to abandon the story that President Obama and his national security team watched tensely as events unfolded in real time (despite the White House having released photos of the team watching tensely), with the operation conveyed into the White House by cameras on the SEALs helmets. If Obama was watching the event as it happened, he would have noticed, one would hope, that there was no firefight and, thus, would not have told the public that bin Laden was killed in a firefight. Another reason the story had to be abandoned is that if the event was captured on video, every news service in the world would be asking for the video, but if the event was orchestrated theater, there would be no video.
No explanation has been provided for why an unarmed bin Laden, in the absence of a firefight, was murdered by the SEALs with a shot to the head. For those who believe the government's story that "we got bin Laden," the operation can only appear as the most botched operation in history. What kind of incompetence does it require to senselessly and needlessly kill the most valuable intelligence asset on the planet?
According to the US government, the terrorist movements of the world operated through bin Laden, "the mastermind." Thanks to a trigger-happy stupid SEAL, a bullet destroyed the most valuable terrorist information on the planet. Perhaps the SEAL was thinking that he could put a notch on his gun and brag for the rest of his life about being the macho tough guy who killed Osama bin Laden, the most dangerous man on the planet, who outwitted the US and its European and Israeli allies and inflicted humiliation on the "world's only superpower" on 9/11.
When such a foundational story as the demise of bin Laden cannot last 48 hours without acknowledged "discrepancies" that require fundamental alternations to the story, there are grounds for suspicion in addition to the suspicions arising from the absence of a dead body, from the absence of any evidence that bin Laden was killed in the raid or that a raid even took place. The entire episode could just be another event like the August 4, 1964, Gulf of Tonkin event that never happened but succeeded in launching open warfare against North Vietnam at a huge cost to Americans and Vietnamese and enormous profits to the military/security complex.
There is no doubt that the US is sufficiently incompetent to have needlessly killed bin Laden instead of capturing him. But who can believe that the US would quickly dispose of the evidence that bin Laden had been terminated? The government's story is not believable that the government dumped the proof of its success into the ocean, but has some photos that might be released, someday.
As one reader put it in an email to me: "What is really alarming is the increasingly arrogant sloppiness of these lies, as though the government has become so profoundly confident of their ability to deceive people that they make virtually no effort to even appear credible."
Governments have known from the beginning of time that they can always deceive citizens and subjects by playing the patriot card. "Remember the Maine," the "Gulf of Tonkin," "weapons of mass destruction," "the Reichstag fire"--the staged events and bogus evidence are endless. If Americans knew any history, they would not be so gullible.
The real question before us is: What agenda or agendas is the "death of bin Laden" designed to further?
There are many answers to this question. Many have noticed that Obama was facing re-election with poor approval ratings. Is anyone surprised that the New York Times/CBS Poll finds a strong rise in Obama's poll numbers after the bin Laden raid? As the New York Times reported, "the glow of national pride" rose "above partisan politics, as support for the president rose significantly among both Republicans and independents. In all, 57 percent said they now approved of the president's job performance, up from 46 percent."
In Washington-think, a 24% rise in approval rating justifies a staged event.
Another possibility is that Obama realized that the the budget deficit and the dollar's rescue from collapse require the end of the expensive Afghan war and occupation and spillover war into Pakistan. As the purpose of the war was to get bin Laden, success in this objective allows the US to withdraw without loss of face, thus making it possible to reduce the US budget deficit by several hundred billion dollars annually--an easy way to have a major spending cut.
If this is the agenda, then more power to it. However, if this was Obama's agenda, the military/security complex has quickly moved against it. CIA director Leon Panetta opened the door to false flag attacks to keep the war going by declaring that al Qaeda would avenge bin Laden's killing. Secretary of State Clinton declared that success in killing bin Laden justified more war and more success. Homeland Security declared that the killing of bin Laden would motivate "homegrown violent extremists" into making terrorist attacks. "Homegrown violent extremists" is an undefined term, but this newly created bogyman seems to include environmentalists and war protesters. Like "suspect," the term will include anyone the government wants to pick up.
Various parts of the government quickly seized on the success in killing bin Laden to defend and advance their own agendas, such as torture. Americans were told that bin Laden was found as a result of information gleaned from torturing detainees held in Eastern European CIA secret prisons years ago.
This listing of possible agendas and add-on agendas is far from complete, but for those capable of skepticism and independent thought, it can serve as a starting point. The agendas behind the theater will reveal themselves as time goes on. All you have to do is to pay attention and to realize that most of what you hear from the mainstream media is designed to advance the agendas.
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - James H. Fetzer - 05-05-2011
This case of the staged photograph at the White House is quite revealing. Here's a report:
President Obama Watched Live Video Of Bin Laden Raid As It Happened
Henry Blodget | May 2, 2011, 11:32 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-watched-live-video-of-bin-laden-raid-2011-5
President Obama watched live video of the raid on Bin Laden's compound yesterday, a source tells us.
In operations like this, our source says, soldiers and pilots often carry helmet cameras, and screens in
situation rooms can carry live images from all of them.
In a press conference this afternoon, head of counter-terrorism John Brennan said Obama's reaction when
Bin Laden was killed was "We got him."
Here's a remarkable photo from the White House situation room during the raid:
![[Image: 6572653.jpg]](http://www.polls.newsvine.com/_vine/images/users/600/WillFemia/6572653.jpg)
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-watched-live-video-of-bin-laden-raid-2011-5#ixzz1LUZAVurs