Anthony Thorne Wrote:Since everyone's laying their cards on the table, here are mine.

Trump is fine. He's an idiot, a blowhard, he has possible connections to the mafia - who gives a shit? He'll enrich his cronies and impose some mild domestic repression on the US for a few years. Big deal. I expect in any war situation he'll run things past his advisors and the Joint Chiefs, hardly anything different to the norm. He's said multiple times that he wants to improve relations with Russia, be friends with Putin. This is good for the world, and good for the US.

Clinton has all the Neocons in tow and wants to show how tough she is by fronting up to a war with Russia - her consistent love of warmongering could quite easily blow up the planet. Clinton also seems mysteriously cold and inhuman. Every time she opens her mouth seems to be a calculated lie. Give me Trump's bluster any day. I also find Trump's accent easier on the ear - when he gets going it's quite stirring.

The surreal side of this election is that I've found myself - a longterm lefty with parents who helped the Tasmanian Greens when my father acted as a council whistleblower for later Greens leader Christine Milne - agreeing emphatically with Fox News hacks like Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, and nodding sagely during interviews with Newt Gingrich. Clinton is an arrogant danger to the world.

If Trump loses, Clinton will at least begin her Presidency thoroughly embattled, and her opponents have rich pickings to bring her down over the next couple of years, so at least that's something.

Tracy Riddle Wrote:Seriously, Anthony, if you think Trump is "fine," you've haven't paid any attention to the man. He is a textbook sociopath, pathological liar, narcissist and abuser of women. He is so unstable he makes Nixon look like a mentally and emotionally healthy President.

You find Trump's accent stirring? WTF?

Tracy Riddle Wrote:Seriously, Anthony, if you think Trump is "fine," you've haven't paid any attention to the man. He is a textbook sociopath, pathological liar, narcissist and abuser of women. He is so unstable he makes Nixon look like a mentally and emotionally healthy President.

You find Trump's accent stirring? WTF?

Anthony Thorne Wrote:...... Clinton also seems mysteriously cold and inhuman. Every time she opens her mouth seems to be a calculated lie. Give me Trump's bluster any day. I also find Trump's accent easier on the ear - when he gets going it's quite stirring.

The surreal side of this election is that I've found myself - a longterm lefty with parents who helped the Tasmanian Greens when my father acted as a council whistleblower for later Greens leader Christine Milne - agreeing emphatically with Fox News hacks like Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, and nodding sagely during interviews with Newt Gingrich. Clinton is an arrogant danger to the world.

If Trump loses, Clinton will at least begin her Presidency thoroughly embattled, and her opponents have rich pickings to bring her down over the next couple of years, so at least that's something.

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Hillary Rodham was a product of the women's liberation movement. When she agreed to marry Bill Clintonthe third time he askedshe decided to keep her own name. Bill didn't seem to have a problem with that. His mother did. Virginia Clinton Kelley recalled in her autobiography that when Bill told her, the day of the wedding, she began to weep. "I had never even conceived of such a thing. This had to be some new import from Chicago," she recalled.[/FONT]
Hillary Rodham's decision seemed evidence not only of her roots in a city up north, but also of the future. The couple was married in 1975, smack in the middle of a decade when women's use of their maiden names surged. ("Maiden name," ironically, is an indelibly sexist and patriarchal label.) But in Arkansas, the move was still pretty edgy. When Bill first ran for governor in 1978, his opponent in the Democratic primary made a major issue of his wife's name. When The New York Times profiled the newly-elected Governor Clinton, it noted that he "is married to an ardent feminist, Hillary Rodham, who will certainly be the first First Lady of Arkansas to keep her maiden name." The Arkansas Democrat reported, "Despite the fact that she keeps her maiden name, the wife of Arkansas's new governor, Bill Clinton, claims she's really an old-fashioned girl." (I'm indebted to Karen Blumenthal's forthcoming biography for these anecdotes.) Clinton himself later told The New Yorker's Connie Bruck, "Hillary told me she was nine years old when she decided she would keep her own name when she got married. It had nothing to do with the feminist movement or anything. She said, I like my name. I was interested in my family. I didn't want to give it up.'"

Bill Clinton lost reelection in 1980, but decided to run to reclaim his seat two years later. That's when Hillary Rodham decided it was time to take on Bill's name, to assist the effort. Here's how Bill Clinton explained it to Bruck:......
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Quote:Goodbye Norma Jean
Though I never knew you at all
You had the grace to hold yourself
While those around you crawled
They crawled out of the woodwork
And they whispered into your brain
They set you on the treadmill
And they made you change your name

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who to cling to
When the rain set in
And I would have liked to have known you
But I was just a kid
Your candle burned out long before
Your legend ever did

Loneliness was tough
The toughest role you ever played
Hollywood created a superstar
And pain was the price you paid
Even when you died
Oh the press still hounded you
All the papers had to say
Was ......

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Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, would have the dark distinction of becoming the only first lady ever called before a federal grand jury. In 1996, she testified for four hours, mostly to answer *questions about subpoenaed *Whitewater-related documents that had vanished and then suddenly reappeared in the White House living quarters.
Gergen, Stephanopoulos and other top Clinton aides from that era some of whom ended up with huge legal bills of their own contend that none of this might have happened had Hillary Clinton been more open in the first place.
"I believe that decision against disclosure was the decisive turning point. If they had turned over the Whitewater documents to The Washington Post in December 1993, their seven-year-old land deal would have soon disappeared as an issue and the story of the next seven years would have been entirely different," Gergen wrote in "Eyewitness to Power," his book about his time working for four presidents, from Nixon to Clinton......

Anthony Thorne Wrote:Plenty of African Americans seem to be voting for Trump and supporting him.

Where do you get that idea?

Trump talking points?

Trump will lose the non-white vote 75% to 20%.

I figure if Trump really was a bastion of white supremacy they'd be aware of it before we were.

Let's see: Trump advocates "stop and frisk" policies in urban minority neighborhoods; wants to ban all Muslims from entry into the US; wants to round up 11 million undocumented Hispanics and deport them; wants to enforce Voter ID Laws to disenfranchise millions of elderly poor; says Obama wasn't a legitimate President because he was born in Kenya; courts the neo-Nazi alt.right; was sued twice by the Feds for housing discrimination; supports Paul Ryan's plan to slash food stamps for poor families.

No discernible pattern there, Anthony?

That said, David's anti-Hillary posts above all seem on target.

Those who refuse to stand against racism are not victims. They're accessories.

And Trump's accent is far more stirring than Hillary's twang. It has a pleasant melodious tone to it when he really gets going.