Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Rob:

You never answered my question.

Why did you leave out all that data about Nichols when you first mentioned him? You know about lying to get his job, about teaming up with Singlaub, about the over 1000 phone calls on state time and money, about the fraud and screwing over his victims by declaring bankruptcy?

This is the kind of guy you trust?

And then you have the Clintons running Arkansas like a Gestapo state. And forcing people to sign false affidavits. You left out: with a gun to their head. Sort of like Hitler's Night of the Long Knives perhaps?

This sounds very much like Aynseworth in Newsweek describing Garrison's "reign of terror" in New Orleans.

That is it for me.

Kenneth Kapel Wrote:Nixon was chosen by the elites to run in 1968. All evidence points to that, dating back to 1946 when Prescott Bush, Mr. Perry of Bank of American, Lansky, and Dalitz all were Nixon backers. You don't get support like that, especially being a political novice such as Nixon, unless those backing have bigger plans for you, and within 6 years "Tricky Dick " was Vice President. The New York governor entered the race way to late to have any sort of a chance. After a 47 U.S. House seat pickup in 1966 the GOP should have had a huge slate of candidates running for President in 1968, but in that year Nixon was virtually unopposed for the nomination.

Robert Morrow Wrote:I do need to get those books: 1) Dulles and 2) Cold Warrior. People need to focus on that, not Lee Harvey Oswald, US intelligence agent. (I just ordered Dulles for under 5 bucks total; as for Cold Warrior - have it have not read it - look at the photo inserts, page 20 James Angleton is carrying the ashes of Allen Dulles at his funeral. Now that is close!)

As for Gennifer Flowers - she was telling the absolute truth, unlike the scum Clintons and their lackeys, who were busy criminally terrorizing innocents. Beating them up in Gary Johnson's case. Hillary and her private detective goons like Anthony Pellicano (now in jail) and Jack Palladino asking Gennifer's neighbor: Does she ever talk about committing suicide? Beautiful people, those Clintons.

Vince Foster was Hillary's boyfriend - I mean that sexually. And Webb Hubbell, he is the biological father of Chelsea Clinton. I am the nation's #1 Clinton opposition researcher with 200-300 books, VHS tapes, DVDs on them, so take that for what its worth. Big lipped Chelsea is the daughter of Webb Hubbell, not wild Bill.

As for Scaife and his messy divorce. Yes, its a funny story. And he has made amends with the Clintons which is why Chris Ruddy gives the Clintions all that favorable press at News Max.

As for Hersh and Reeves and JFK's sex life - we will have to agree to disagree ... or we can talk until we are blue in the face.

Real issues of the JFK assassination:

1a. The upcoming personal/political immolation of Lyndon Johnson
1. Vietnam (my #4)
2. Cuba (my #2)
3. Detente with Russia (my #3)
4. Upcoming recognition of China
5. Federal Reserve (those Rockefellers sure did not like JFK's greenbacks!)

Truman's editiorial ... he is basically accusing the CIA of murdering JFK. Very important.

Madeleine Brown - extremely important. Mistress of 21 years. Can not be ignored. Or ignore at your peril.

Finally, James Angleton quote in 1985:

"Fundamentally, the founding fathers of U.S. intelligence were liars. The better you lied and the more you betrayed, the more likely you would be promoted. These people attracted and promoted each other. Outside of their duplicity, the o*nly thing they had in common was a desire for absolute power. I did things that, in looking back o*n my life, I regret. But I was part of it and I loved being in it. . . Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, Carmel Offie, and Frank Wisner were the grand masters. If you were in a room with them you were in a room full of people that you had to believe would deservedly end up in hell." Angleton slowly sipped his tea and then said, "I guess I will see them there, soon."

----JAMES ANGLETON, C.I.A. Counter Intelligence-Chief, 1985

Robert Morrow Wrote:Nelson Rockefeller was a topic of your talk, Greg, except you did not know it. I am not the first person to say that one big reason JFK was murdered by the CIA was because of Vietnam. It may not be my #1 issue, but it was a factor. Nelson Rockefeller and those CIA Republicans like Allen Dulles, George Herbert Walker Bush, name 10 others, were hawks on Vietnam. If you read the thread above, you will see in JFK and the Unspeakable where Nelson Rockefeller is suggesting to JFK in 1961 to USE TACTICAL NUKES ON NORTH VIETNAM.

That is extremely signficant as is the fact Lyndon Johnson was supporting Nelson Rockefeller for president in spring, 1968 and the fact that Nelson Rockefeller ran the Rockefeller Commission, yet another cover up for the murder of John Kennedy.

It is also extremely signficant that McGeorge Bundy was a "Rockefeller man" - and also a hawk on Vietnam, -and also writing NSAM 273 with policy positions that JFK would not approve, the night BEFORE the assassination as you discussed. His brother Bill Bundy later - also in the Rockefeller controlled CFR - comes to work for LBJ and drafts the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution in fall, 1964. Again, that is extremely significant.

I am trying to get you to think, Greg. McGeorge Bundy - that is a CFR Rockefeller man who is a hawk on Vietnam. The Rockefellers and the CFR wanted Vietnam, not John Kennedy. And the Rockefeller controlled CFR has been without a doubt one of the biggest cover up operations for the JFK assassination there is.

The CIA is just the military wing of the CFR.

Bottom line: McGeorge Bundy was working for the Rockefellers, the CFR and the hawks ... not John Kennedy. John Kennedy had already been overthrown in a coup before he was murdered.

And he feared it, too. Just read that Arthur Krock article in October, 1963.

The Lyndon Johnson - Nelson Rockefeller connection is a key link in the JFK assassination.

Greg Burnham Wrote:Robert, here's an article I wrote exactly 11 years ago this month. As you can see, I am NOT oblivious to DEEP connections and relationships between various players. However, your descriptions of those relationships are, IMO, based on inadequate research, and many times the conclusions you reach are based on unsupported assertions. Not only that, you incorrectly assume that I haven't read Arthur Krock, for example, or that I haven't researched the "players" that you implicate. Those assumptions are false, but making statements based on false assumptions or unjustified supposition is becoming one of your hallmarks.

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JFK Offered Peaceful Co-Existence To Castro
By Gregory Burnham
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Castro had NO motivation to murder JFK. My reasoning in that regard is based on interviews I have conducted with persons in a position to know the details of JFK's (behind the scenes) CUBAN policy.

In those years, it was politically suicidal for any public figure to openly suggest any non-agressive option to dealing with Communism. The "cold war" dictated the rules of engagement - and those rules were primarily based on the pontifications of those in the John Foster Dulles camp. Dean Rusk, a J.F. Dulles protege, was incredibly silent during a period when he was considered an expert on China by his colleagues in the State Department. Rusk, a Rhoades Scholar, was the Assisstant Secretary of State for the Far East, a position that was called "the suicide seat" during those years, yet Rusk VOLUNTEERED for the position; VOLUNTEERED to take a demotion from his current position of Deputy Undersecretary. -- But by that time the careers of many of the real "China Experts" at State: Marshall, Kennan, Bohlen, Clubb, Service, et al, had been ruined.

Even the formidable, and formerly "untouchable" Dean Acheson was forever tarnished by the fall of China to Communism. Later, many of the best experts on China were described by Richard Nixon as graduates of "Dean Acheson's College for the Cowardly Containment of Communism..."

But not DEAN RUSK.

RUSK assumed the position of Assisstant Secretary (Far East) after China fell, thus escaping the China debacle unscathed... It was a fait accompli mostly because he did not participate in formulating policy, criticizing policy, or publically displaying an awareness of that doomed policy, in very much the same manner that he would later embrace as Secretary of State during Vietnam, attempting to project the appearance of having been "in no way involved ..."

The reputation and career of John Patton Davies (arguably the VERY BEST expert on China) was all but ruined by those in the State Department and elsewhere, who blamed the fall of China to Communism, on the "failure of the U.S. to properly contain it" under the policies of the Democratic [Truman] Administration.

Most people don't realize that Allen Dulles' brother, John Foster Dulles, was the Chairman of the ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION during the TRUMAN administration and that Dean Acheson, as Secretary of State was the prime architect of that administration's policy on South East Asia, with Dean Rusk as his principal Deputy for Asia. Together, they engineered the war in Vietnam at the end of WWII and the beginning of the end of a Democrat in the White House.

By 1952, upon Republican candidate Eisenhower's election to the Presidency, John Foster Dulles would be leaving his position as the Chairman of the Rockefeller Foundation to accept the position of Eisenhower's Secretary of State. But, he needed to fill the position for ROCKEFELLER that he would be vacating. And he did just that.

So, when Ike became President, Nixon became Vice-President, John Foster Dulles became Secretary of State, Allen Dulles became Director of Central Intelligence, and who became the Chairman of the ROCKEFELLER Foundation, you ask?

Dean Rusk.

Eight years later, JFK defeated Vice President NIxon to become the 35th President, and Dean Rusk, like John Foster Dulles before him, vacated the Chairmanship of the ROCKEFELLER Foundation, and became Kennedy's Secretary of State.

Here's a rare memo from Richard Helms to National Security Advisor, McGeorge Bundy, confirming the JFK plan to re-establish relations (and much more) with Castro's Cuba. JFK realized, as he expressed in his speech at the American University, that the only sound "deal" between the US and the Communists that would insure a true and lasting peace, NOT a Pax Americana, where American weapons of war were used to inflict "our peace" on nations around the globe. Rather, a true peace would necessarily depend on the deal's being in the Communist's best interest, as well as our own best interest. He said that the only dependable agreements reached between nations were those agreements, AND ONLY those agreements, which served that nation's own self interest...

That is the type of "language" that get's a President killed by those in the business of WAR, who depend on the escalation of fear in the hearts of the taxpayers who will fund this great Military/Industrial Complex of which we were warned against by Dwight D. Eisenhower in his parting address to the nation. "We must guard against undue influence, whether sought or unsought, by the vast Military/ Industrial Complex..."