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On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Here's the best part both John and Robert Kennedy knew those A4s needed to be delayed, Robert put on a show pretending to be surpised over the fact that our military guys couldn't tell time. I call it plausible deniability when they addressed the American public, the anti-Castro's, the Soviet's and media. But, as any good leader he took on the responsibility. I think he just got in way over his head as a young president whose first day on the job was to free south Vietnam and Cuba. That's got to be a lot on ones plate to soon to fast. But, he did do his best, I suppose to others his best wasn't good enough.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Many of you are very familiar with the Kirkpatrick report, Jim cites it often, but how familiar are you with the Stennis Committee and what it's findings are about?
Sign, Curious.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Gee, I forgot to add in Jim's personal favorite, the [Taylor] Report, good thing Goldwater didn't tare Kennedy up into a 1,000 pieces, that wouldn't have looked very good when the blame started to shift fully on the CIA. Didn't matter, Dulles was nearing his retirement, and thought it to be a good idea to retire early with Kennedy throwing Dulles a retirement party. How about that!
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Please, by all means, don't miss out on Robert's and John's full conversation, funny though, Robert says only two of them were shot-down, I'll tell you 19 B-26s were shot-down and 12 A4 Skyhawks were approved for "air-cover", but John found away to use Bundy in calling them off. They got their hours screwed up says Robert, sure they did. "Somebody had told them about that thing on Wednesday morning". They're going to try and spring it in such away that there WAS "air-cover." You were wrong and I was wrong in saying there wasn't... Now, the question is how, what exactly, is it, were we gonna get Max Taylor to look up exactly on how to bullshit for us?
Is this what you're speaking about Jim?
https://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/JFKPOF-TPH-08B-4.aspx
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
^Edited.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
My bad, I get it now, Robert meant that ONLY two American pilots were shot-down, the two American's who had no earthly reason to be flying any planes during the Bay of Pigs because Jack said no American military would be involved, but two American lives didn't matter much when it came to invading Cuba right? Because, after all, Jack's life was more important than the next persons right Jim?
Good thing this LeBanc survived, to tell his story.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Robert says, and between all of them, they got their hours mixed up, all of who? Now, I'm speaking to only the military people on this board, and no one else. I'm pretty sure they'll understand what I'm saying, if your commander tells you that you're going to take a hill, or bunker, and there will be an airstrike called in at certain time, wouldn't you think your commanding officer would have had everyone's time in sync?
You don't have to answer that if you're a bias Kennedy groupie lover who can't see pass this. Then, I understand, however, I personally don't have anything against Kennedy, and if I don't cover-up my father's shit, then I'm sure in the hell not going to cover up for Jack.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
More bullshit, part two....
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/bayofpigs/baypigs2.mp3
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Why not? Let's just cut right to the chase shall we? The president of the United States knew well in advance the only way to have beaten Castro was an all out invasion, Kennedy says NO American military will be used, but to appease the Brigade he tells the CIA he will approve "air-cover," and the only airstrike that I'm aware of that was called off, in this case, delayed, the same air-cover Hunt, Col. Prouty, and others have mentioned, which Kennedy had delayed, but not entirely called off, why? Well, for starters it's much easier to tell the Russians our A4s did a fly by looking for survivors, then to say they were going to provide air-cover, because that's what air-cover meant right Jim? And so, our military never really got directly involved, which is a load of crap because several of the A4s were riddled with bullet holes upon there landing abroad the U.S.S. Essex.
Now, Jim, can you counter anything I posted to be false? Can you give me your best argument where I'm wrong?
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/bayofpigs/19611101.pdf
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
^Edited.