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On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 07-09-2016
Jim, I suggest you get my update when it becomes available, only for the cold hard truth, and the facts within. Then, if you wish to critique and review the worst possible book you've ever read. I'd love to read what you have to say!
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 08-09-2016
Kennedy had to figure out a way to delay the A4 Skyhawks so that American "air-cover" would not be seen by the Soviets, yet, still make it appear the United States stood behind the Brigade. Kennedy received a warning from the Soviets prior to the Bay of Pigs landing boldly warning Kennedy of any American military intervention. Kennedy's letter dated April 18, 1961 reassured the Soviets the United States would not, under any circumstances get involved. This meant delaying the A4s for an hour or so until the battle was over. Do you get it now?
Attached, is Kennedy's letter.
https://www.jfklibrary.org/~/media/assets/Foundation/Best%20of%20JFK/JFKKhruschevNSF183418612pages.pdf
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Here's the best part both John and Robert Kennedy knew those A4s needed to be delayed, Robert put on a show pretending to be surpised over the fact that our military guys couldn't tell time. I call it plausible deniability when they addressed the American public, the anti-Castro's, the Soviet's and media. But, as any good leader he took on the responsibility. I think he just got in way over his head as a young president whose first day on the job was to free south Vietnam and Cuba. That's got to be a lot on ones plate to soon to fast. But, he did do his best, I suppose to others his best wasn't good enough.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Many of you are very familiar with the Kirkpatrick report, Jim cites it often, but how familiar are you with the Stennis Committee and what it's findings are about?
Sign, Curious.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Gee, I forgot to add in Jim's personal favorite, the [Taylor] Report, good thing Goldwater didn't tare Kennedy up into a 1,000 pieces, that wouldn't have looked very good when the blame started to shift fully on the CIA. Didn't matter, Dulles was nearing his retirement, and thought it to be a good idea to retire early with Kennedy throwing Dulles a retirement party. How about that!
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Please, by all means, don't miss out on Robert's and John's full conversation, funny though, Robert says only two of them were shot-down, I'll tell you 19 B-26s were shot-down and 12 A4 Skyhawks were approved for "air-cover", but John found away to use Bundy in calling them off. They got their hours screwed up says Robert, sure they did. "Somebody had told them about that thing on Wednesday morning". They're going to try and spring it in such away that there WAS "air-cover." You were wrong and I was wrong in saying there wasn't... Now, the question is how, what exactly, is it, were we gonna get Max Taylor to look up exactly on how to bullshit for us?
Is this what you're speaking about Jim?
https://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/JFKPOF-TPH-08B-4.aspx
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
^Edited.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
My bad, I get it now, Robert meant that ONLY two American pilots were shot-down, the two American's who had no earthly reason to be flying any planes during the Bay of Pigs because Jack said no American military would be involved, but two American lives didn't matter much when it came to invading Cuba right? Because, after all, Jack's life was more important than the next persons right Jim?
Good thing this LeBanc survived, to tell his story.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
Robert says, and between all of them, they got their hours mixed up, all of who? Now, I'm speaking to only the military people on this board, and no one else. I'm pretty sure they'll understand what I'm saying, if your commander tells you that you're going to take a hill, or bunker, and there will be an airstrike called in at certain time, wouldn't you think your commanding officer would have had everyone's time in sync?
You don't have to answer that if you're a bias Kennedy groupie lover who can't see pass this. Then, I understand, however, I personally don't have anything against Kennedy, and if I don't cover-up my father's shit, then I'm sure in the hell not going to cover up for Jack.
On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics - Scott Kaiser - 11-09-2016
More bullshit, part two....
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/bayofpigs/baypigs2.mp3