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Libya : A no lie zone - Ed Jewett - 21-10-2011
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Libya : A no lie zone - Keith Millea - 21-10-2011
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Thank Jah I only had to watch 12 seconds of the wide body death Bitch! :what:
Libya : A no lie zone - Albert Doyle - 21-10-2011
So which arabs are we supposed to fear? Are these good arabs and the other ones are bad? I'm confused.
I don't think the Libyans realize they've just traded one dictatorship for another. While we're being sold that the world just became more democratic what they aren't being honest about is a rogue CIA power that can illegally foment arab "revolutions" is now killing foreign leaders with impunity. The lesson here is don't comply with the US or gain its approval for relationship improvement because their CIA is only going to kill you anyway. This is how the CIA defines itself, by constantly satisfying itself with new international blood in the name of democracy.
Libya : A no lie zone - Ed Jewett - 21-10-2011
To quote someone else, "Buy 'em off,convert 'em,or kill 'em."
Libya : A no lie zone - Bill Kelly - 22-10-2011
Albert Doyle Wrote:So which arabs are we supposed to fear? Are these good arabs and the other ones are bad? I'm confused.
I don't think the Libyans realize they've just traded one dictatorship for another. While we're being sold that the world just became more democratic what they aren't being honest about is a rogue CIA power that can illegally foment arab "revolutions" is now killing foreign leaders with impunity. The lesson here is don't comply with the US or gain its approval for relationship improvement because their CIA is only going to kill you anyway. This is how the CIA defines itself, by constantly satisfying itself with new international blood in the name of democracy.
There certainly are good Arabs and bad Arabs, and a mean, cut-throat steak runs through their blood, as exhibited by the public executions of those who opposed the Gadhafi regime from the very day it seized power.
How do you know they've traded one dictatorship for another? They say they were fighting and dying (35,000+) for democracy, and they haven't formulated a constitution yet. Have you ever written a constitution?
And how is the CIA a rogue power? I thought it was acting on US government policy and administrative orders?
The CIA is the whipping boy for all those who sprout ideological nonsense.
And how did the CIA illegally forment arab "revolutions"? The CIA not only didn't forment the Arab revolutions, they didn't anticipate them, predict them or even recognize the revolt was happening in Tunisia until a week or more after it was sparked by the self-immolation of Mohamid Bouazizi on Dec. 17, 2010. Show me a link between Bouasisi and the CIA and you will convince me.
And the CIA isn't killing foreign leaders with impunity but has a list of those it is authorized to capture or kill. And I hope Joseph Kony is on that list.
Let's see, Bin Laden, killed 3,000 people on 9/11, American Al Qaeda in Yemen who threatened and tried to mass murder Americans, and who else?
Gadhafi's car might have been hit by a CIA Predator Drone, but he was killed by his "sons," his own Libyan people, and for good reasons, though I would have preferred a trail and legal execution.
I don't think the CIA does anything in the name of democracy. Democracy isn't their mission.
Bill Kelly
Revolutionary Program
Libya : A no lie zone - Bill Kelly - 22-10-2011
Peter Lemkin Wrote:With the Gadhafi regime in tatters and the Libyan leader on the run, secret files in Tripoli have come to light which detail the depth of cooperation between the US and UK with Libya on the rendition of terror suspects. The United States and Britain face embarrassing questions after reams of confidential documents discovered in Libya's External Security agency headquarters exposed the depth of cooperation between the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the UK's foreign intelligence service MI6 and fugitive dictator Moammar Gadhafi's secret service. The documents, uncovered by officials from the Libyan transitional authority and researchers from Human Rights Watch during a sweep of government buildings, show that both the US and British intelligence services developed very close relations with Gadhafi. This cooperation took place even before the former Libyan leader was rehabillitated in the wake of his pledge to help in the war on terror and his renouncing of nuclear-weapons in 2004. Documents recovered from the offices also show that the CIA was using Libya as a location for its "special renditions," the US policy of sending terror suspects to third countries for interrogation, from as early as 2002. The files show that the CIA flew terror suspects to Libya for questioning by Gadhafi's secret police and even provided the Libyans with the questions that should be asked. "After 9/11 the CIA seemed to be involved in various North African countries; training forces and supplying small arms in the name of stopping al Qaeda and the spread of terrorism," Patricia DeGennaro, professor of international security at New York University's Department of Politics, told Deutsche Welle. "It is well known that there were rendition camps in several countries including Morocco. Since Libya is so isolated and got so little international attention, it was easy for the CIA to use this location and be in essence under the radar." "No one on the international stage ever took Gadhafi seriously so it was unlikely that anyone would question him about rendition facilities," she added. Cooperation was so deep that the George W. Bush administration considered establishing "a permanent presence" in Libya, possibly a CIA-run secret prison or a covert CIA field office, where terror suspects could be incarcerated and interrogated. Documents show that this "presence" was set up in 2004 after Gadhafi had come in from the diplomatic cold.
Peter, if this is true, and the CIA and the USA as well as other NATO countries - especially UK and France were in bed with Gadhafi, had the oil all tied up, were in league with him against al Qaeda, were training his mercenaries and letting his security forces interrogate and torture CIA rendition prisoners, then how is the CIA responsible for the "fake" Arab revolutions and stabbing Gadhafi in the back, as is being alleged?
A major change in US policy has come about because of the Arab revolts, and the USA is now no longer backing the dictators in some countries, like it did in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya - but is now opposing them in Syria and some countries, while maintaining support for them in Yemen and Bahrain.
I think the Wiki Leaks docs are correct and the CIA the USA, UK and France were quite happy with the dictators who supported USA policies, and it was Hillary (I hate to say) Clinton who convinced Obama to support the revolutionaries, after the CIA finally recognized and acknowledged there was an unprecedented region wide revolution in the works.
If Albert Doyle or anyone can show me how the CIA fermented these revolutions I'd like to see it.
Bill Kelly
Revolutionary Program
Libya : A no lie zone - Ed Jewett - 22-10-2011
Qaddafi Was Captured AliveWho Killed Him?
October 21st, 2011Via: The Atlantic:What did happen to Qaddafi after the video above cut away? No one can seem to say for sure. Libyan interim Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril admitted late on Thursday that Qaddafi had been found alive but insisted he had been killed accidentally. "There was cross-fire and he was shot while they were carrying him to a truck," Jibril said. It's of course possible that this is accurate, but it's difficult to imagine what crossfire there might have been. The above video showed dozens of rebels crowded around Qaddafi and no pro-Qaddafi troops in sight. How, exactly, do two bullets of "crossfire" happen to wiz their way through such a dense crowd and just happen to strike Qaddafi in the head and chest?
Jibril told NPR, "Nobody can tell if the shot was from the rebel fighters or from his own security guard." By his own security guard? At least they're not claiming suicide.
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Libya : A no lie zone - Ed Jewett - 22-10-2011
Friday, October 21, 2011
The illegality of the assassination of Gadaffi (and what it symbolizes)
There is going to be a lot of reading here:
From Africa Legal Brief- The article below is worth reading, entirely.
The Assassination of Mummar Gaddafi illegal under international Law
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On the 18th of October, United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was in Tripoli, Libya. She stated in unusually blunt terms that she would like to see Mummar Gaddaffi dead'. Two days later she got her wish. Mummar Gaddafi was bombed by NATO aeroplanes as he attempted to leave Sirte and rebels from the National Transitional Authority (NTC) pulled from the drainage pipe an injured Gaddafi who had taken cover to avoid the bombardment coming from NATO Aeroplanes.
-Gaddafi was pulled from the drainage pipes alive as video footage has shown and was summarily executed using his own personal golden gun. -This was extra judicial killing supported by a whole Secretary of State Hilary Clinton.
-This was a clear violation of the Geneva Conventions in the acceptance of surrender and the treatment of prisoners of war; military necessity, along with distinction and proportionality.
The issue in Libya is not so much about Gaddafi, but that his murder symbolises the final occupation of Libya. The re-colonisation of Libya by America and NATO forces. It is now a question of America and Europe doing exactly what they please in that country. Not only do they have access to the large oil and gas reserves, but also something the media rarely covers the large water reserves under the Libyan soil.
-Under international law there is no rational for the assassination of Mummar Gaddafi. The original reason, which was resolution 1973 which authorised the protection of civilians, was turned into a regime change instrument. The assassination of Mummar Gaddafi is a blunt admission by America, France and Britain that this crusade was not about protecting civilians, but about regime change. This was a breach of the UN regulations. This was a NATO/US operation in a scramble for Libyan oil.
-What NATO and America do not realise is that they have now created a very chaotic situation, probably similar to the one in Iraq if not worse. In the competition for the Libyan oil and Gas, the NTC and the crusading countries risk fanning more conflict amongst the Libyans themselves. Sooner rather than later the Libyans will realise that they have jumped from the frying pan into the fire. The imperial solidarity shown when taking over Libya will surely disintegrate as the scramble for these resources begins.
And what was Gadaffi's crime?
Gadaffi's principle crime was that he refused to take any loans from institutions like the IMF etc. He refused to join the club of International bankers and decided to set up his own Pan-Africanist bank that would have provided loans to African countries. Gaddafi's Libya was the only African/Arab country that did not owe any country or institution any money.
The Assassination of Mummar Gaddafi is part of a bigger plot by America to establish US AFRICOM. The United States Africa Command. Africa Command protects and defends the national security interests of the United States by establishing its defence capabilities' on African soil and taking over regional organizations. To date no African country except Liberia has co-operated with America in having AFRICOM bases on their soil. It is now quite clear that AFRICOM will now move into Libya. The re-colonisation of Libya will then be complete.
Gadaffi's Burial after assassination
Authorities now have the dilemma of what to do with the body of Muammar Gaddafi, now in the town of Misrata where it was paraded in the streets on Thursday.
"They have said they will conduct a secret burial and there is some speculation that they might even try to bury him at sea, as al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was buried, to prevent any grave being turned into a shrine, she adds.
"They have said they will conduct a secret burial and there is some speculation that they might even try to bury him at sea, as al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was buried, to prevent any grave being turned into a shrine, she adds.
Mr Tarhouni told Reuters that Col Gaddafi's body - currently in Misrata - was not going to be released for burial immediately."I told them to keep it in the freezer for a few days... to make sure that everybody knows he is dead," he said.
Asked about the burial arrangements, he said: "There is no decision yet."
Reuters also quoted an unnamed official as saying there was disagreement within the National Transitional Council (NTC) over what to do with the body.
Waiting for orders from NATO?Asked about the burial arrangements, he said: "There is no decision yet."
Reuters also quoted an unnamed official as saying there was disagreement within the National Transitional Council (NTC) over what to do with the body.
Meanwhile, questions are mounting as to exactly what happened in Col Gaddafi's last moments following his capture.
Officials have denied he was executed.
After the body was paraded about? Burial at sea?Officials have denied he was executed.
-Gadafi, if he is indeed dead, was never going to be taken alive
Dead men tell no tales and a talking Gadaffi would have been a serious embarrassment to the West.
That said the inability of Gadaffi to speak will make him no less a heroic figure to the vast percentage of Libyans who do not wish to be occupied.
The abuse of his lifeless corpse and the sickening crowing and cackling (see below) from Western Leaders will be looked upon by the Libyans as an insult. Who can blame them?
The bloodlust demonstrated by Hilary Clinton is palpable.
She could barely contain hereself.
Something else? Though she says to the others in the room "unconfirmed" "reports unconfirmed" , she looks as if she knows it is true, she is practically beaming.
Did she already have the assassination confirmed through unofficial channels?
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Note the New York Yankees Cap
BLOODIED Colonel Gaddafi was executed with a single shot to the head- killed by a bullet to the left temple.Posted by Penny at 7:28 AM
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Libya : A no lie zone - Peter Lemkin - 22-10-2011
Bill Kelly Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:With the Gadhafi regime in tatters and the Libyan leader on the run, secret files in Tripoli have come to light which detail the depth of cooperation between the US and UK with Libya on the rendition of terror suspects. The United States and Britain face embarrassing questions after reams of confidential documents discovered in Libya's External Security agency headquarters exposed the depth of cooperation between the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the UK's foreign intelligence service MI6 and fugitive dictator Moammar Gadhafi's secret service. The documents, uncovered by officials from the Libyan transitional authority and researchers from Human Rights Watch during a sweep of government buildings, show that both the US and British intelligence services developed very close relations with Gadhafi. This cooperation took place even before the former Libyan leader was rehabillitated in the wake of his pledge to help in the war on terror and his renouncing of nuclear-weapons in 2004. Documents recovered from the offices also show that the CIA was using Libya as a location for its "special renditions," the US policy of sending terror suspects to third countries for interrogation, from as early as 2002. The files show that the CIA flew terror suspects to Libya for questioning by Gadhafi's secret police and even provided the Libyans with the questions that should be asked. "After 9/11 the CIA seemed to be involved in various North African countries; training forces and supplying small arms in the name of stopping al Qaeda and the spread of terrorism," Patricia DeGennaro, professor of international security at New York University's Department of Politics, told Deutsche Welle. "It is well known that there were rendition camps in several countries including Morocco. Since Libya is so isolated and got so little international attention, it was easy for the CIA to use this location and be in essence under the radar." "No one on the international stage ever took Gadhafi seriously so it was unlikely that anyone would question him about rendition facilities," she added. Cooperation was so deep that the George W. Bush administration considered establishing "a permanent presence" in Libya, possibly a CIA-run secret prison or a covert CIA field office, where terror suspects could be incarcerated and interrogated. Documents show that this "presence" was set up in 2004 after Gadhafi had come in from the diplomatic cold.
Peter, if this is true, and the CIA and the USA as well as other NATO countries - especially UK and France were in bed with Gadhafi, had the oil all tied up, were in league with him against al Qaeda, were training his mercenaries and letting his security forces interrogate and torture CIA rendition prisoners, then how is the CIA responsible for the "fake" Arab revolutions and stabbing Gadhafi in the back, as is being alleged?
A major change in US policy has come about because of the Arab revolts, and the USA is now no longer backing the dictators in some countries, like it did in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya - but is now opposing them in Syria and some countries, while maintaining support for them in Yemen and Bahrain.
I think the Wiki Leaks docs are correct and the CIA the USA, UK and France were quite happy with the dictators who supported USA policies, and it was Hillary (I hate to say) Clinton who convinced Obama to support the revolutionaries, after the CIA finally recognized and acknowledged there was an unprecedented region wide revolution in the works.
If Albert Doyle or anyone can show me how the CIA fermented these revolutions I'd like to see it.
Bill Kelly
Revolutionary Program
Bill, I don't know why you picked me out to address that to. I don't have any evidence or belief that the CIA or similar are formenting these revolutions - as others do here. I am sure, however, they are trying to steer things as they would like to see theym steered....likely using the persons/connections they have long had on the ground. Personally, I think that these revolutions are genuine indiginous ones - although there are many other players [CIA and others in many countries, including other Arab countries] who would like to steer things to their perceived advantage.....as always. I'm rooting for the will of the People in all cases, and hope they can see their way past the outside influence and tricks.
Libya : A no lie zone - Peter Lemkin - 22-10-2011
Bill Kelly Wrote:<br><br>Peter Lemkin Wrote:With the Gadhafi regime in tatters and the Libyan leader on the run, secret files in Tripoli have come to light which detail the depth of cooperation between the US and UK with Libya on the rendition of terror suspects. The United States and Britain face embarrassing questions after reams of confidential documents discovered in Libya's External Security agency headquarters exposed the depth of cooperation between the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the UK's foreign intelligence service MI6 and fugitive dictator Moammar Gadhafi's secret service. The documents, uncovered by officials from the Libyan transitional authority and researchers from Human Rights Watch during a sweep of government buildings, show that both the US and British intelligence services developed very close relations with Gadhafi. This cooperation took place even before the former Libyan leader was rehabillitated in the wake of his pledge to help in the war on terror and his renouncing of nuclear-weapons in 2004. Documents recovered from the offices also show that the CIA was using Libya as a location for its "special renditions," the US policy of sending terror suspects to third countries for interrogation, from as early as 2002. The files show that the CIA flew terror suspects to Libya for questioning by Gadhafi's secret police and even provided the Libyans with the questions that should be asked. "After 9/11 the CIA seemed to be involved in various North African countries; training forces and supplying small arms in the name of stopping al Qaeda and the spread of terrorism," Patricia DeGennaro, professor of international security at New York University's Department of Politics, told Deutsche Welle. "It is well known that there were rendition camps in several countries including Morocco. Since Libya is so isolated and got so little international attention, it was easy for the CIA to use this location and be in essence under the radar." "No one on the international stage ever took Gadhafi seriously so it was unlikely that anyone would question him about rendition facilities," she added. Cooperation was so deep that the George W. Bush administration considered establishing "a permanent presence" in Libya, possibly a CIA-run secret prison or a covert CIA field office, where terror suspects could be incarcerated and interrogated. Documents show that this "presence" was set up in 2004 after Gadhafi had come in from the diplomatic cold.<br>
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Peter, if this is true, and the CIA and the USA as well as other NATO countries - especially UK and France were in bed with Gadhafi, had the oil all tied up, were in league with him against al Qaeda, were training his mercenaries and letting his security forces interrogate and torture CIA rendition prisoners, then how is the CIA responsible for the "fake" Arab revolutions and stabbing Gadhafi in the back, as is being alleged? <br>
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A major change in US policy has come about because of the Arab revolts, and the USA is now no longer backing the dictators in some countries, like it did in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya - but is now opposing them in Syria and some countries, while maintaining support for them in Yemen and Bahrain. <br>
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I think the Wiki Leaks docs are correct and the CIA the USA, UK and France were quite happy with the dictators who supported USA policies, and it was Hillary (I hate to say) Clinton who convinced Obama to support the revolutionaries, after the CIA finally recognized and acknowledged there was an unprecedented region wide revolution in the works. <br>
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If Albert Doyle or anyone can show me how the CIA fermented these revolutions I'd like to see it. <br>
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Bill Kelly<br>
<a href="http://revolutionaryprogram.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Revolutionary Program</a>
Bill, I don't know why you picked me out to address that to. I don't have any evidence or belief that the CIA or similar are fomenting these revolutions - as others do here. I am sure, however, they are trying to steer things as they would like to see them steered....likely using the persons/connections they have long had on the ground. Personally, I think that these revolutions are genuine indiginous ones - although there are many other players [CIA and others in many countries, including other Arab countries] who would like to steer things to their perceived advantage.....as always. I'm rooting for the will of the People in all cases, and hope they can see their way past the outside influence and tricks.
NATO certainly did not just act to protect civilians - but rather to futher its member's perceived geopolitical advantages. While they saves some civilian lives, they caused the death of others. They were not neutral at all. They and their countries had tired of their former dictator [as they did with Noreiga, Mubarack and so many others] and were looking, I'm sure, to get a new government compliant with their objectives and profit. While the final facts are NOT in, it now seems that it was NATO that alerted the Rebel forces of Gadaffi's break out in the convoy and who shot at it with large caliber weapons from their aircraft......leaving many dead and wounded. It would be my guess that whatever the Rebels wanted of Gadaffi, NATO and the 'West' wanted him dead - so he couldn't finger their joint actions and secrets during a trial.
I only hope in all cases and countries the People can see through this and build their own independant countries and polities, as they want them - not as others want them.