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Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Robert Morrow - 07-01-2011
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Can i ask a question?
There are many, many people who wanted JFK to use tactical nukes against Vietnam. If you watch the documentary Atomic Cafe, you will see a young Lloyd Bentsen doing the same. Hmm, he was from Texas too. Maybe he was in on it?
Lloyd Bentsen, unlike Nelson Rockefeller, was not deep CIA at leadership levels since WWII (OSS). I think Rockefeller was in charge of OSS for Latin America and he had working relationships with Allen Dulle, Lyndon Johnson, John J. McCloy and countless other leaders in government and CIA. The Rockefellers gave the land for the United Nations in New York and his organization, the CFR, was without a doubt the biggest players in the murder and cover up of John Kennedy. Lyndon Johnson supported Nelson Rockefeller for president in 1968; I think to cover up the JFK assassination. Then Warren Commission con artist Gerald Ford appoints Rockefeller as his VP. The there was the Rockefeller Commission 1975 which hired David Belin as its executive director and covered up the JFK assassination again?
So it is the sum total of weight of evidence against Nelson Rockefeller that is incriminating, not JUST the fact the he ALSO urged John Kennedy to use tactical nukes on North Vietnam.
By the way, Lyndon Johnson, George Herbert Walker Bush and Lloyd Bentsen were all supported by the same groups in Texas: military contractors and oil industry barons.
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Jim DiEugenio - 07-01-2011
Christine Keeler? Now we are really getting out there into Thomas Reeves territory. Except that one is not even in Reeves' pile of excrement.
Bob, now you are getting better. Its not that Nelson R wanted atomic weapons in Nam. Its who he was, where he was in the power structure, and who he had ties to.
But let me return to an earlier point. Morrow apparently likes the Nelson book which calls LBJ the ringleader--mastermind--of the plot.
But yet in Dallas, and elsewhere, he also seems to go for the Hankey/Baker School of Bush. Which is it?
Is there any proof the two knew each other before 1963? Let alone were in on the conspiracy?
ANd this was my point at the end of my talk. See, not everyone killed Kennedy. That is Torbitt Document disinfo. But yet, if you buy into every book ever written, that is what happened. There is even Gilbride and his Byrd/Truly TSBD conspiracy of blacks. whites, Hispanics and racists, all uniting to kill JFK? For what? Go figure. But that is what happens in a research community with no quality control.
If we buy into that, then really no one killed Kennedy. Or its back to the WC. WHy? Because the MSM will use all the confusion to paint us as a bunch of disorganized goof balls who cannot agree on anything. And the public will then shrug its shoulders and say, "Well, I don't really buy Oswald. But these guys are like a flavor of the month club."
That is why we have to have some kind of tradition to apply to new work. And we do. We have a long and rich one. And new works have to be compared and evaluated against that tradition. ANd we should not be shy about applying that past to new work. There have been some very good people who have plowed these fields. We tend to forget that because we are constantly being marginalized by the MSM and shunted aside while Perry and Mack get on Discovery Channel. But with the rise of the web, we are showing they have to pay a price now. ANd we extracted it from them at ctka.net.
But my point is, if you have not read that tradition and are not versed in it, then you cannot apply any standards.
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Magda Hassan - 07-01-2011
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Can i ask a question?I believe that Atomic Cafe was made by the nephew of George Bush, Kevin Rafferty. Maybe a black sheep of the family.
There are many, many people who wanted JFK to use tactical nukes against Vietnam. If you watch the documentary Atomic Cafe, you will see a young Lloyd Bentsen doing the same. Hmm, he was from Texas too. Maybe he was in on it?
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Robert Morrow - 07-01-2011
Watch this video and ask yourself one question: do you think George Herbert Walker Bush was involved in the JFK assassination AND he compulsively feels he must cover it up even 44 years later?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNheVODT8Mg
GHW Bush "after a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy" Why is Bush SMILING ... or is it NERVOUS LAUGHTER?
Look at this ridiculous passage from GHW Bush in 2007 at Gerald Ford's funeral:
"After a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy, our nation turned to Gerald Ford and a select handful of others to make sense of that madness. And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford's word was always good."
That would be the same George Bush who was family friends with Allen Dulles, one of the key architects of the CIA. The same George GHW Bush who was running off the books assassination squads with Rockefeller acolyte Henry Kissinger in the 1980's.
Yeah, Bush was involved in the JFK assassination. But LBJ, Nelson Rockefeller and Allen Dulles were in the hierarchy. And according to this passage, George Herbert Walker Bush may have been one of the master planners of the JFK assassination:
From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:
"The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, Johnson of Texas, George Bush, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"
I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition p. 638-639]:
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Jim DiEugenio - 07-01-2011
ROb:
You are having a relapse.
I have seen this thing described in so many ways: Bush is laughing, Bush is demonically smiling etc etc.
He smiles. When 80% of the public thinks the WC was wrong, you call that evidence?
C'mon partner. You got to do better than that.
The point is, I don't think you can. I mean Hankey spent 84 minutes trying to bamboozle us on this. Baker spends about 124 pages of his gaseous book also trying.
THey both came up with dry wells. Now you call attention to this smile.
Reminds me of Posner using Oswald's alleged smile.
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Robert Morrow - 07-01-2011
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:ROb:
You are having a relapse.
I have seen this thing described in so many ways: Bush is laughing, Bush is demonically smiling etc etc.
He smiles. When 80% of the public thinks the WC was wrong, you call that evidence?
C'mon partner. You got to do better than that.
The point is, I don't think you can. I mean Hankey spent 84 minutes trying to bamboozle us on this. Baker spends about 124 pages of his gaseous book also trying.
THey both came up with dry wells. Now you call attention to this smile.
Reminds me of Posner using Oswald's alleged smile.
George Herbert Walker's behavior it what it is. What do you think, folks? I think he is SMILING and LYING at the same time. Just the very fact this former CIA director feels compelled to sell the completely shredded Warren Commission farce 44 years later tells me a lot.
What do you folks think? Does GHW Bush have something to hide here?
And let's remember George Herbert Walker Bush's response in 1972 or 1973 when he first read the transcript's of Nixon's "smoking gun" tape where Nixon talks about the "whole Bay of Pigs thing" aka the JFK assassation.
"Briefly Timmons worried about whether Haig had contacted all the key people. "Dean, does Bush know about the transcript yet?," [Timmons asked].
"Yes." [Burch replied]
"Well, what did he do?" [Timmons asked.]
"He broke out in assholes and shit himself to death," [Burch replied.][The Final Days, p.369]
That would be George Herbert Walker Bush who broke out in assholes and shit himself to death when he read about Nixon's fire wall defense being the "whole Bay of Pigs thing" aka the JFK assassination. To me, it's obvious. George Herbert Walker Bush was involved in the JFK assassination and his hysterical reaction is due to fear of exposure. I also believe Richard Helms had a strong reaction when Haldemann brought up the same topic with him.
http://www.watergate.info/tapes/72-06-23_smoking-gun.shtml Richard Nixon's smoking gun tape
The Smoking Gun Tape
June 23, 1972
This is the transcript of the recording of a meeting between President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman in the Oval Office on June 23, 1972 from 10.04am to 11.39am.
Haldeman: okay -that's fine. Now, on the investigation, you know, the Democratic break-in thing, we're back to the-in the, the problem area because the FBI is not under control, because Gray doesn't exactly know how to control them, and they have, their investigation is now leading into some productive areas, because they've been able to trace the money, not through the money itself, but through the bank, you know, sources - the banker himself. And, and it goes in some directions we don't want it to go. Ah, also there have been some things, like an informant came in off the street to the FBI in Miami, who was a photographer or has a friend who is a photographer who developed some films through this guy, Barker, and the films had pictures of Democratic National Committee letter head documents and things. So I guess, so it's things like that that are gonna, that are filtering in. Mitchell came up with yesterday, and John Dean analyzed very carefully last night and concludes, concurs now with Mitchell's recommendation that the only way to solve this, and we're set up beautifully to do it, ah, in that and that...the only network that paid any attention to it last night was NBC...they did a massive story on the Cuban...
Nixon: That's right.
Haldeman: thing.
Nixon: Right.
Haldeman: That the way to handle this now is for us to have Walters call Pat Gray and just say, "Stay the hell out of this...this is ah, business here we don't want you to go any further on it." That's not an unusual development,...
Nixon: Um huh.
Haldeman: ...and, uh, that would take care of it.
Nixon: What about Pat Gray, ah, you mean he doesn't want to?
Haldeman: Pat does want to. He doesn't know how to, and he doesn't have, he doesn't have any basis for doing it. Given this, he will then have the basis. He'll call Mark Felt in, and the two of them ...and Mark Felt wants to cooperate because...
Nixon: Yeah.
Haldeman: he's ambitious...
Nixon: Yeah.
Haldeman: Ah, he'll call him in and say, "We've got the signal from across the river to, to put the hold on this." And that will fit rather well because the FBI agents who are working the case, at this point, feel that's what it is. This is CIA.
Nixon: But they've traced the money to 'em.
Haldeman: Well they have, they've traced to a name, but they haven't gotten to the guy yet.
Nixon: Would it be somebody here?
Haldeman: Ken Dahlberg.
Nixon: Who the hell is Ken Dahlberg?
Haldeman: He's ah, he gave $25,000 in Minnesota and ah, the check went directly in to this, to this guy Barker.
Nixon: Maybe he's a ...bum.
Nixon: He didn't get this from the committee though, from Stans.
Haldeman: Yeah. It is. It is. It's directly traceable and there's some more through some Texas people in--that went to the Mexican bank which they can also trace to the Mexican bank...they'll get their names today. And pause)
Nixon: Well, I mean, ah, there's no way... I'm just thinking if they don't cooperate, what do they say? They they, they were approached by the Cubans. That's what Dahlberg has to say, the Texans too. Is that the idea?
Haldeman: Well, if they will. But then we're relying on more and more people all the time. That's the problem. And ah, they'll stop if we could, if we take this other step.
Nixon: All right. Fine.
Haldeman: And, and they seem to feel the thing to do is get them to stop?
Nixon: Right, fine.
Haldeman: They say the only way to do that is from White House instructions. And it's got to be to Helms and, ah, what's his name...? Walters.
Nixon: Walters.
Haldeman: And the proposal would be that Ehrlichman (coughs) and I call them in
Nixon: All right, fine.
Haldeman: and say, ah...
Nixon: How do you call him in, I mean you just, well, we protected Helms from one hell of a lot of things.
Haldeman: That's what Ehrlichman says.
Nixon: Of course, this is a, this is a Hunt, you will-that will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab there's a hell of a lot of things and that we just feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further. This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves. Well what the hell, did Mitchell know about this thing to any much of a degree?
Haldeman: I think so. I don 't think he knew the details, but I think he knew.
Nixon: He didn't know how it was going to be handled though, with Dahlberg and the Texans and so forth? Well who was the asshole that did? (Unintelligible) Is it Liddy? Is that the fellow? He must be a little nuts.
Haldeman: He is.
Nixon: I mean he just isn't well screwed on is he? Isn't that the problem?
Haldeman: No, but he was under pressure, apparently, to get more information, and as he got more pressure, he pushed the people harder to move harder on...
Nixon: Pressure from Mitchell?
Haldeman: Apparently.
Nixon: Oh, Mitchell, Mitchell was at the point that you made on this, that exactly what I need from you is on the--
Haldeman: Gemstone, yeah.
Nixon: All right, fine, I understand it all. We won't second-guess Mitchell and the rest. Thank God it wasn't Colson.
Haldeman: The FBI interviewed Colson yesterday. They determined that would be a good thing to do.
Nixon: Um hum.
Haldeman: Ah, to have him take a...
Nixon: Um hum.
Haldeman: An interrogation, which he did, and that, the FBI guys working the case had concluded that there were one or two possibilities, one, that this was a White House, they don't think that there is anything at the Election Committee, they think it was either a White House operation and they had some obscure reasons for it, non political,...
Nixon: Uh huh.
Haldeman: or it was a...
Nixon: Cuban thing-
Haldeman: Cubans and the CIA. And after their interrogation of, of...
Nixon: Colson.
Haldeman: Colson, yesterday, they concluded it was not the White House, but are now convinced it is a CIA thing, so the CIA turn off would...
Nixon: Well, not sure of their analysis, I'm not going to get that involved. I'm (unintelligible).
Haldeman: No, sir. We don't want you to.
Nixon: You call them in.
Nixon: Good. Good deal! Play it tough. That's the way they play it and that's the way we are going to play it.
Haldeman: O.K. We'll do it.
Nixon: Yeah, when I saw that news summary item, I of course knew it was a bunch of crap, but I thought ah, well it's good to have them off on this wild hair thing because when they start bugging us, which they have, we'll know our little boys will not know how to handle it. I hope they will though. You never know. Maybe, you think about it. Good!
**********
Nixon: When you get in these people when you...get these people in, say: "Look, the problem is that this will open the whole, the whole Bay of Pigs thing, and the President just feels that" ah, without going into the details... don't, don't lie to them to the extent to say there is no involvement, but just say this is sort of a comedy of errors, bizarre, without getting into it, "the President believes that it is going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again. And, ah because these people are plugging for, for keeps and that they should call the FBI in and say that we wish for the country, don't go any further into this case", period!
Haldeman: OK
Nixon: That's the way to put it, do it straight (Unintelligible)
Haldeman: Get more done for our cause by the opposition than by us at this point.
Nixon: You think so?
Haldeman: I think so, yeah.
George Herbert Walker Bush's reaction to reading the transcript to Richard Nixon's smoking gun tape: he broke out in assholes and shitted himself to death according to Dean Burch [Final Days, p. 369]. Bush's reaction:
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Robert Morrow - 07-01-2011
Lyndon Johnson makes "cowboy love" to Jackie post assassination
Flirts with widow after slaughtering JFK, wants to be "daddy" of Caroline and John-John; LBJ was a textbook psychopath.
From LBJ: Architect of American Ambition:
"During his first five weeks in office, Johnson called Jackie numerous times. Instinctively, awkwardly, he attempted to make what Hubert Humphrey referred to as "cowboy love" to her. A conversation the first week in December was typical: "Your picture was gorgeous. Now you had that chin up and that chest out and you looked so pretty marching in the front page of the New York Daily News … well," LBJ said "I just came, sat in my desk and started signing a log of long things, and I decided to I wanted to flirt with you a little bit…. Darling, you know what I said to the Congress I'd give anything in the world if I wasn't here today … Tell Caroline and John-John I'd like to be their daddy!"
[LBJ: Architect of American Ambition, Randall Woods, p. 423]
A lot of people just don't understand how the mind of a PSYCHOPATH works. For example, Ted Bundy. He could be working at a suicide hotline one day ... and killing a coed the next day. Or volunteering for the Republican party ... then killing a coed the next day.
Another example would be the BTK (Blind, Torture, Kill) serial killer Dennis Radar in Kansas. Dennis Radar could be doing zoning code enforcement one day ... and killing and torturing that night. Dennis Radar could be going to church at Christ Lutheran one day ... and killing someone the next day in the most sadistic fashion. http://en.wikipedia....ki/Dennis_Rader
LYNDON JOHNSON WAS A THOROUGHBRED PSYCHOPATH and a serial killer who killed when he was desperate and scared of being exposed.
Now compare the Lyndon Johnson quote above, the part about wanting to be a "daddy" to Caroline and John John, with the reality of what George Reedy, John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy had to say about him. And also the very ugly reality about LBJ that author Robert Caro discovered:
George Reedy, former press secretary for Lyndon Johnson: http://www.absolutea...cs/George_Reedy
George Reedy on Lyndon Johnson:
"He may have been a son of a bitch, but he was a colossal son of a bitch."
"Not only did Johnson get somewhat separated from reality, he had a fantastic faculty for disorienting everybody around him as to what reality was."
"What was it that would send him into those fantastic rages where he could be one of the nastiest, most insufferable, sadistic SOBs that ever lived and a few minutes later really be a big, magnificent and inspiring leader?"
In his book, Lyndon B. Johnson: A Memoir by George Reedy… Reedy is quoted on his book flap as calling LBJ "a bully, a sadist, lout, and egoist." He describes LBJ as "magnificent, inspiring leader; the other that of an insufferable bastard."
from Phillip Nelson, author of LBJ: Mastermind of JFK's Assassination:
"JFK once said "that Lyndon was a chronic liar; that he had been making all sorts of assurances to me for years and has lived up to none of them."12 Robert Kennedy's description of Johnson, which can be heard on the referenced Web site, was that he was "mean, bitter, vicious, an animal, in many ways; I think he's got this other side to him that makes his relationships with other human beings very difficult, unless you want to kiss his behind all the time."
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. . . "Bobby later complained that Johnson lies all the time. I'm telling you, he just lies continuously, about everything. In every conversation I have with him, he lies. As I've said, he lies even when he doesn't have to.'"195 (emphasis added) JFK agreed on this point, telling Jackie on the evening of November 21, 1963 that Lyndon Johnson was "incapable of telling the truth."196 Similar statements had been made by people who knew him when he was younger: classmates who routinely called him "Bull" (for "Bullshit") Johnson because he lied so much that he was considered "the biggest liar on campus;" but beyond that, there was no difference to him in truth or falsehood, the facts were whatever he deemed them to be; he was, in one classmate's words, "a man who just could not tell the truth."197 Most men would be embarrassed to be caught in a lie, but not Johnson: men who knew him in Texas agreed that even when caught in a lie, he wouldn't flinch; he would resume lying again about the same thing, almost immediately.198 Caro points out that this was not just a nickname used behind his back; it was used by other students to his face: "Howya doin', Bull?"
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Robert Caro spent several years interviewing people who knew him during those years and concluded: "By the time the researcher completes his work on Lyndon Johnson's college years, he knows that one alumnus had not been exaggerating when he said, "A lot of people at San Marcos didn't just dislike Lyndon Johnson; they despised Lyndon Johnson."
Here is Robert Caro again on LBJ:
"And by 1941, also the major patterns of his entire life are established and clear. In attaining this influence, he has displayed a genius for discerning a path to power, an utter ruthlessness in destroying obstacles in that path, and a seemingly bottomless capacity for deceit, deception and betrayal in moving along it" ....
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Keith Millea - 07-01-2011
Hey Robert
Why don't you take your fucking Cowboy Love and get the hell out of here.You are a fucking pervert!!!!!!
Keith
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Robert Morrow - 07-01-2011
Keith Millea Wrote:Hey Robert
Why don't you take your fucking Cowboy Love and get the hell out of here.You are a fucking pervert!!!!!!
Keith
Hey, Keith,
Would you care to argue the facts, or are you just into personal invective? So what you think about the usurper traitor murderer Lyndon Johnson flirting with Jackie and saying that he wants to be "the daddy" of John John and Caroline? Pretty bold, eh? - in light of the fact that LBJ had just murdered their father.
I think the information above is a prime example of what a psychopath Lyndon Johnson was.
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Keith Millea - 07-01-2011
Hey Robert
I'm not a JFK reseacher,I'm a normal person who gets fucking pissed off when I read shit like you are putting on this website.How fucking dare you talk like this about JFK you fucking pervert.Go away,please.