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Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Magda Hassan - 06-05-2011
If what the daughter says is true there will be no photos of the summary execution of OBL by the trained seals as this would be a war crime.
Quote:BEIRUT: Osama bin Laden was killed at close range after he had been captured alive by U.S. commandos, one of the al-Qaeda leader's daughters told investigators, reported a pan-Arab newspaper Thursday.
Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat newspaper said Saffia, bin Laden's daughter who is believed to be 12 years old, told Pakistani security intelligence while under interrogation that she had witnessed the demise of her father at the hands of U.S. Navy Seals at a compound near the Pakistani capital Islamabad.
President Barack Obama announced Monday that the al-Qaeda leader had been tracked down and killed by U.S. Special Forces in the Pakistan city of Abbottabad Sunday.
Saffia, who was one of several of bin Laden's family members to survive the May 2 operation, said her father's killing had taken place on the ground floor of the complex, the paper said.
"She saw the Americans capture her father alive, then they shot him at point-blank range in a room at the ground floor," Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat said. "Bin Laden's [body] was dragged toward a helicopter hovering over the compound," it said.
The newspaper said Pakistani authorities had also arrested a woman among the survivors of the commando operation who claimed to be one of bin Laden's wives.
Speaking to investigators, the woman who identified herself as Amal Ahmad Abul-Fateh, said she had passed out when U.S. forces stormed the compound.
Abul-Fateh, who was wounded in the commando operation, told Pakistani authorities that she was a Yemeni national, the newspaper added.
Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat quoted Pakistani authorities as saying that two other of bin Laden's daughters Aman, 22 and Mariam, 26 had been slightly wounded during the 40-minute operation that killed the United States' most-wanted man.
After medical treatment, the two women were taken to a "secure location," the daily added.
Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat said Pakistani authorities were facing legal problems in indentifying survivors of bin Laden's family because they do not have any papers on them, except for bin Laden's wife, who was carrying a passport issued by the Yemeni government.
It said the Pakistani government announced it would deport bin Laden's family members to their countries of origin. A Pakistani official, however, said that this measure would be difficult to implement given that the family members do not have any travel documents.
Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2011/May-05/Daughter-says-bin-Laden-captured-alive-then-killed-report.ashx#ixzz1LeCI9iLW
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Peter Lemkin - 06-05-2011
Magda Hassan Wrote:If what the daughter says is true there will be no photos of the summary execution of OBL by the trained seals as this would be a war crime.
Quote:BEIRUT: Osama bin Laden was killed at close range after he had been captured alive by U.S. commandos, one of the al-Qaeda leader's daughters told investigators, reported a pan-Arab newspaper Thursday.
Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat newspaper said Saffia, bin Laden's daughter who is believed to be 12 years old, told Pakistani security intelligence while under interrogation that she had witnessed the demise of her father at the hands of U.S. Navy Seals at a compound near the Pakistani capital Islamabad.
President Barack Obama announced Monday that the al-Qaeda leader had been tracked down and killed by U.S. Special Forces in the Pakistan city of Abbottabad Sunday.
Saffia, who was one of several of bin Laden's family members to survive the May 2 operation, said her father's killing had taken place on the ground floor of the complex, the paper said.
"She saw the Americans capture her father alive, then they shot him at point-blank range in a room at the ground floor," Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat said. "Bin Laden's [body] was dragged toward a helicopter hovering over the compound," it said.
The newspaper said Pakistani authorities had also arrested a woman among the survivors of the commando operation who claimed to be one of bin Laden's wives.
Speaking to investigators, the woman who identified herself as Amal Ahmad Abul-Fateh, said she had passed out when U.S. forces stormed the compound.
Abul-Fateh, who was wounded in the commando operation, told Pakistani authorities that she was a Yemeni national, the newspaper added.
Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat quoted Pakistani authorities as saying that two other of bin Laden's daughters Aman, 22 and Mariam, 26 had been slightly wounded during the 40-minute operation that killed the United States' most-wanted man.
After medical treatment, the two women were taken to a "secure location," the daily added.
Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat said Pakistani authorities were facing legal problems in indentifying survivors of bin Laden's family because they do not have any papers on them, except for bin Laden's wife, who was carrying a passport issued by the Yemeni government.
It said the Pakistani government announced it would deport bin Laden's family members to their countries of origin. A Pakistani official, however, said that this measure would be difficult to implement given that the family members do not have any travel documents.
Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2011/May-05/Daughter-says-bin-Laden-captured-alive-then-killed-report.ashx#ixzz1LeCI9iLW
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)
It gets 'better' and 'better'....but NOT for the USG. If true, then this was a cold-blooded murder of a captured, subdued, human prisoner who could not resist....decidedly a war crime [even if one could make the false assertion of an ongoing 'war' or other such]. It is hard to hold the USG in anything but utter contempt, as most do for the 3rd Reich, which we seem well on the path of emulating......:mexican:
If this is all so, I hope against hope the ICC issues warrants for arrests for war crimes.
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Albert Doyle - 06-05-2011
The new American standard is naked parading of heroes like Bradley Manning and Mossad commando assassination of unarmed targets for football crowd cheering.
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Peter Lemkin - 06-05-2011
This is like a bad soap-opera. It now turns out [if you believe it] that OBL recorded a new video statement one week before his murder..and it is soon to be released.
It has to be good....buy popcorn and anti-anxiety drugs [or reality altering ones - personal choice, here] for the 'showing'....
hutup::dancingman:
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Helen Reyes - 06-05-2011
Peter Lemkin Wrote:CNN: "Widely Distributed Death Photo of Osama Bin Laden is Fake"
3rd May 2011
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.fake.photo/
...
"I have seen a great number of poorly Photoshopped images in my time as a photographer and I can tell by the pixels that it is a fake," said Kenna Lindsay, a New York-based photographer who works with composite images.
...
This is a paraphrase of a 4chan meme. It is too close to be accidental or coincidental, it's a shout-out to Anonymous. The actual phrase, I don't remember verbatim, is more like "I have seen a great number of poorly photoshopped images in my time, and I can tell by the pixels that this is a fake." This meme was current years ago, probably sometime between 2003 and 2007. It could be from Something Awful or Encyclopedia Dramatica originally, but it was picked up and propagated on 4chan, although I don't know the backstory or full significance or what it referenced specifically and originally.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-looks-shopped
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - James H. Fetzer - 06-05-2011
Five easy (but very informative) pieces about 9/11 as "an inside job":
(1) Mossad ran 9/11 Arab "hijacker" terrorist operation
By Wayne Madsen
http://www.opinion-maker.org/2011/01/british-intelligence-reports/
Mossad ran 9/11 Arab "hijacker" operation: "British intelligence reported in February 2002 that the Israeli Mossad ran the Arab hijacker cells that were later blamed by the U.S. government's 9/11 Commission for carrying out the aerial attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. WMR has received details of the British intelligence report which was suppressed by the government of then-Prime Minister Tony Blair."
(2) WATCH OUT FOR THE BOGYMAN - by Jim Marrs May 05, 2011
http://www.jerrypippin.com/watch_out_for_the_bogyman.htm
"The surest way to control a free people is to initiate a war. But to have a war requires an enemy. In recent years, America?s great enemy has been Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network, but this has turned out to be a Bogyman -- a false and ethereal image to provoke fear. 'There are people within the US intelligence community who doubt that the hijacker list from 9/11 has much truth in it,' said one source."
(3) Obama's "Big Lie": White House Propaganda and the ?Death? of Osama bin Laden
by Larry Chin (May 2, 2011)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24594
"Obama has pronounced Osama bin Laden to be dead. But according to historical facts and extensive documented evidence, he may never have been alive in the way that the official propaganda has portrayed him. Or alive at all. Osama bin Laden has been a CIA asset in reality, and a propaganda boogeyman in official fiction."
(4) Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
May 4, 2011
http://www.infowars.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag/
"Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a 'conspiracy theorist'. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT."
(5) Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive?
by David Ray Griffin (October 9, 2009)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15601
"Obama has appealed to these intelligence estimates, which have invariably claimed that bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan, somewhere along its border. This claim has been used to justify the extension of US military activity into Pakistan, with the result that people now speak of the "AfPak war." [But if they] do not even know whether bin Laden is alive, they certainly cannot know where he is and what he is thinking."
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Jan Klimkowski - 06-05-2011
Mark Ludwig Wrote:This photo from another site is closer.
Reportedly given to this person from a security company here in australia...
Haven't seen this anywhere else.
***WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT****
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e357/toxiemite/IMG_2763.png
Mark - thank you for posting this image, and thank you for including the graphic content warning.
It is important that all such evidence is considered and analyzed.
My immediate reaction to this image is to call BULLSHIT.
And I call BS for the following reasons:
i) I would be most surprized if Osama's beard was still jet black;
ii) the degree of sharp focus appears to vary across the image;
iii) to the naked eye, various elements of the face, and supposed foreground/background planes, appear wrong.
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Jan Klimkowski - 06-05-2011
Magda Hassan Wrote:
None of the men look like OBL. Presumably he was on the USS Muslim Burials at Sea by then. Filmed by Pakistanis after the US had left about 1 hour after the deaths.
Magda - if the images are genuine, that's the best what-happened-inside-the-house evidence that I've seen.
I'm finding it very hard to keep up with the endlessly changing Official Story, but if I'm understanding it correctly, the current version says there was a firefight on entry and then no meaningful firefight after. The images in that video would therefore suggest a slaughter.
So, perhaps the real reason that the White House is now making itself look truly stupid by asserting that we should forget the photos of the Head Honchoes watching SEALCAM SNUFF OSAMA LIVE, and actually Hillary had a cough, and Obama had indigestion, and we can't remember what they were watching but it wasn't realtime video, is because what happened inside that "compound" was a SLAUGHTER straight out of a PECKINPAH movie.
Only real flesh and real blood.
In which case, it was both WAR CRIME and CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.
And even Obama's "look the other way" lawyers have advised that everyone in that room could end up before a War Crimes Tribunal.
Theoretically, of course.
Since Amerika believes international war crime tribunals are only for non-Americans and refuses to recognize them.
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Keith Millea - 06-05-2011
Photos from around OBL compound can be found at the link below.
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/obl-kill/obl-kill.htm
There are two other Cryptome links.Please be aware that the first one has the unaltered photos of those killed in the raid.
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Jan Klimkowski - 06-05-2011
Keith Millea Wrote:Photos from around OBL compound can be found at the link below.
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/obl-kill/obl-kill.htm
There are two other Cryptome links.Please be aware that the first one has the unaltered photos of those killed in the raid.
Keith - thank you posting, and thank you for the graphic content warning.
I viewed the images of four bloodied corpses in white robes, with no weapons visible.
I then viewed the other links, and went back to the kill shot images, and the post was gone...
I would entirely understand why the White House doesn't want the world to see such images....