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Why the second floor lunch room encounter could not have happened - Jim DiEugenio - 14-04-2017
What sycophants? Where?
EF? You mean like Paul Trejo and Cliff Varnell?
Also, Holmes' is talking about the sit in of his interview with Oswald. These interviews are collected in the WR. For instance, in the Hosty/Bookhout 11/22 one, Oswald said he was on the first floor when Kennedy's motorcade passed. (p. 613) There are also the Fritz notes of the interrogation which suggest that Oswald himself said he was on the first floor. That is called corroboration.
So when you say a thousand feet away, I do not understand what you are talking about. To me that is just obfuscation.
Why the second floor lunch room encounter could not have happened - Jim DiEugenio - 14-04-2017
BTW, if one looks at Miller's last couple of pages on the EF second floor encounter thread, he seems to think that PM is Lovelady. Which makes some sense considering the forearms and core body.
But this completely clashes with Doyle's Sarah Stanton idea. Which again, points out how effective Duncan McRae's intervention was.
Why the second floor lunch room encounter could not have happened - Albert Doyle - 15-04-2017
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:What sycophants? Where?
EF? You mean like Paul Trejo and Cliff Varnell?
Also, Holmes' is talking about the sit in of his interview with Oswald. These interviews are collected in the WR. For instance, in the Hosty/Bookhout 11/22 one, Oswald said he was on the first floor when Kennedy's motorcade passed. (p. 613) There are also the Fritz notes of the interrogation which suggest that Oswald himself said he was on the first floor. That is called corroboration.
So when you say a thousand feet away, I do not understand what you are talking about. To me that is just obfuscation.
That's completely out of context. Oswald said he was in the first floor break room. And more importantly he did not specify being outside on the landing when given the chance. The guy who says loudly "I'm a patsy" in front of an audience of witnesses is not going to hold back being on the landing when given the chance.
ROKC are dishonest liars Jim. I'm surprised a man of your ability is falling for their bullshit. The Fritz notes are in chronological order and are in Fritz's police notes shorthand. ROKC has been getting away with saying Oswald said he was "Out with Bill Shelley in front" when the commonly accepted context of the notes is Oswald very clearly said he was in the lunchroom when the officer came in - The next line says he went down to the 1st floor had lunch - The line after that says Out (as in left the building) with Bill Shelley in front. The main reason the Lovelady Shelley testimony is screwed up is because they probably saw one of the Oswald's after the shots. Maybe Roger Craig's.
To me it is more likely everyone is reading the Fritz notes wrong and he actually wrote: "Claims 2nd floor Coke when officer came in to 1st floor. - Had lunch (in lunchroom) - Out (of building) with Bill Shelley in front."
What Kamp offers is nowhere close to corroboration and is just a forced spinning of quotes towards Murphy. If you listen to what is actually being said in the Fritz Notes it puts Oswald right where Carolyn Arnold saw him at 12:24.
Do you realize, Jim, if Fritz wrote "Claims 2nd floor Coke when officer came in to 1st floor" that what you are calling "corroboration" could very well be ROKC misconstruing the shorthand context of Fritz's notes and putting literal meaning on something that did not mean what they are saying at all? This would be a pure example of ROKC's thick-headed tunnel vision and only looking for what they want to hear.
The 1000 feet was from Holmes' Commission testimony.
Why the second floor lunch room encounter could not have happened - Albert Doyle - 15-04-2017
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:BTW, if one looks at Miller's last couple of pages on the EF second floor encounter thread, he seems to think that PM is Lovelady. Which makes some sense considering the forearms and core body.
But this completely clashes with Doyle's Sarah Stanton idea. Which again, points out how effective Duncan McRae's intervention was.
Bill Miller is not the best representative for our side. He's good but he got a lot of stuff wrong because he just got in to it when Gordon booted me.
It couldn't be Lovelady because the one piece of good research Kamp actually did do was show the two men walking down the Elm St Extension are Lovelady and Shelley. Since PM is seen on the landing during their walk it can't be Lovelady.
If you go to my Prayer Woman page we have positively identified PM as being Depository employee Sarah Stanton. We have an image of her face. Miller is behind on this...
Why the second floor lunch room encounter could not have happened - Mark A. O'Blazney - 15-04-2017
There is no image of her face. It is pareidolia straight up, and you've got a big fat case of it. It was a dude taking pictures with a camera, as long as you're going off-topic again.
Who taught you how to be a detective, Albert? Oh, nevermind. I'm going back to Mr. Barwell's posts. At least one can make better sense of his big paragraphs. They're actually fun to read. Your paragraphs are insane compared to his.
Why the second floor lunch room encounter could not have happened - Scott Kaiser - 16-04-2017
When Parker speaks, you better ask him if there was a dog barking first, so he doesn't get distracted, or, was it that the dog ate his homework, I'm sure it's one of those two.