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Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - James H. Fetzer - 22-03-2010
MORE FROM MY PSY OPS EXPERT:
[David: Sorry about that. I think that one was really intended more for me
than for the forum. I am replacing it with one more relevant. But you
will be pleased to know that Judyth has sent us another remarkable post.
Personally, I think he has done a very fine job of analyzing what has been
going on here. I also believe that he has provided an important context for
understanding what may be motivating attempts to marginalize Judyth.
Incidentally, and likewise no disrespect to you, but his identity is not as
important as his analysis of what has been going on here, which, so far
as I am aware, has never been articulated before by any other source.
So, while I do not want to prolong the agony, I think he is entitled to some
recognition. Were it not for allowing Adrian to continue his attacks, of
course, some of this would not have emerged. Here's a final comment.]
Thank you, thank you to your coverup artists
Jim, we owe a big thank you to a later poster [adrian mack] who took the hook and "filled in the rest of the blanks" by projecting a coverup gesture to a "global" perspective when he tried to link Judyth's story to faked space landings, etc., etc. as a means to discredit her, you and me.
This directed me immediately to the idea that, to make such a "global" coverup statement, intel is covering up a matter that has to have global implications. And as with the "flouride scam" where fluoride was placed in the public water both as a cover for the discharge of flouride waste from the nuclear weapons waste and a means of eugenics (and elicitation of higher rates of cancer and arthritis), the main motivation later on with the industry and govt coverup is mostly financial, just like with the big vaccine controversies now related to mercury in the vaccines as a cause of increased rates of autism.
So what seems to be the big problem that needs to be covered up is long term liability due to criminal negligence caused apparently by foreknowledge and continuing knowledge (criminal negligence) that almost all vaccines worldwide contain Simian SV-40 fragments, which can and do cause many types of cancer and serve as a eugenics tool whether intended to be that or not.
All these flimsy coverup folks--this does not include Jack White who is another breed of cat altogether and is not dirty--really laid out a good map, actually quite easy to follow and al deserve a big thank you for helping to make this research productive. Their thinly veiled diversionary, coverup postings really allowed a system of good triangulation to be used in counterforce against these, allowing a person knowledgeable in these techniques to zone in on the subjects these intercept ops were trying to coverup and then take each subject a bit further by speculating about them and their implications.
Jim, without the absurd and poorly constructed oppositional statements of these coverupers, it would have taken a lot longer to dig out why intel has been watching, stalking and harassing Judyth for so many years. If these folks had just had some basic training in effective sophistry, casuistry and speciousness, they could have done a better job delaying the discovery of the reason for all the harassment of Judyth and the coverup. But alas of course the very best work they could have done in regard to Judyth would been to have left her alone and never even commented on the forums. Even these coverup ops and intel hangerons have been dumbed down!
But, Jim, they really did help with the investigation so far and I feel fairly certain now what the big fear is for those who have been driving the coverup. Even if they had not used such poor, illogical arguments, their comments would have still led up to the truth using them as a road map to triangulate from.
The coverup of the Judyth Vary matter itself appears to really be a super-fascist matter, based on the triple fusion of industry, academia (in this case academic based medical research) and government (DOD > defense dept). The industrial portion appears to be the major industrial cartel big pharma which has probably taken command over this matter just based on it being a primary money center.
Big pharma now drives government intel or perhaps using their own (big pharma has a pretty big privatized one to that the govt agencies fully accept and support--where some of their ops take positions when they leave the government intel agencies--ie revolving door syndrome). Big pharma feeds and controls academia by providing the massive research grant dollars for medical research, much of which is defense related too.
This is just how it works. So when President Eisenhower delivered his stern warning about the military industrial complex, he wasn't kidding. This is what has taken over our government, trashed our constitution and is now attempting to make us all slaves in the land our forefathers settled.
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - David Guyatt - 22-03-2010
Jim, please can we return to JVB?
I'm sorry to say that I'm not a fan of your sources back-slapping self congratulations. Nor do I agree with his analysis about his own apparently remarkable analytical abilities.
This thread has been diverted enough because of Mr. Mack's tireless petty point scoring, and I really don't think it would now benefit if it became a mouth organ for an unidentified source of unknown abilities.
No disrespect is directed at you personally.
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - Jan Klimkowski - 22-03-2010
James H. Fetzer Wrote:MORE FROM MY PSY OPS EXPERT:
All these flimsy coverup folks--this does not include Jack White who is another breed of cat altogether and is not dirty--really laid out a good map, actually quite easy to follow and al deserve a big thank you for helping to make this research productive. Their thinly veiled diversionary, coverup postings really allowed a system of good triangulation to be used in counterforce against these, allowing a person knowledgeable in these techniques to zone in on the subjects these intercept ops were trying to coverup and then take each subject a bit further by speculating about them and their implications.
Jim, without the absurd and poorly constructed oppositional statements of these coverupers, it would have taken a lot longer to dig out why intel has been watching, stalking and harassing Judyth for so many years. If these folks had just had some basic training in effective sophistry, casuistry and speciousness, they could have done a better job delaying the discovery of the reason for all the harassment of Judyth and the coverup. But alas of course the very best work they could have done in regard to Judyth would been to have left her alone and never even commented on the forums. Even these coverup ops and intel hangerons have been dumbed down!
Jim, your psy ops expert talks about "coverupers" plural. I sincerely hope he is not labelling me as a, curious phrase, "coveruper".
David Guyatt Wrote:Jim, please can we return to JVB?
I'm sorry to say that I'm not a fan of your sources back-slapping self congratulations. Nor do I agree with his analysis about his own apparently remarkable analytical abilities.
This thread has been diverted enough because of Mr. Mack's tireless petty point scoring, and I really don't think it would now benefit if it became a mouth organ for an unidentified source of unknown abilities.
No disrespect is directed at you personally.
I agree with all of David's sentiments.
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - James H. Fetzer - 22-03-2010
Jan,
Did you overlook that I updated that post and added this preface?
Jim
[David: Sorry about that. I think that one was really intended more for me
than for the forum. I am replacing it with one more relevant. But you
will be pleased to know that Judyth has sent us another remarkable post.
Personally, I think he has done a very fine job of analyzing what has been
going on here. I also believe that he has provided an important context for
understanding what may be motivating attempts to marginalize Judyth.
Incidentally, and likewise no disrespect to you, but his identity is not as
important as his analysis of what has been going on here, which, so far
as I am aware, has never been articulated before by any other source.
So, while I do not want to prolong the agony, I think he is entitled to some
recognition. Were it not for allowing Adrian to continue his attacks, of
course, some of this would not have emerged. Here's a final comment.]
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:James H. Fetzer Wrote:MORE FROM MY PSY OPS EXPERT:
All these flimsy coverup folks--this does not include Jack White who is another breed of cat altogether and is not dirty--really laid out a good map, actually quite easy to follow and al deserve a big thank you for helping to make this research productive. Their thinly veiled diversionary, coverup postings really allowed a system of good triangulation to be used in counterforce against these, allowing a person knowledgeable in these techniques to zone in on the subjects these intercept ops were trying to coverup and then take each subject a bit further by speculating about them and their implications.
Jim, without the absurd and poorly constructed oppositional statements of these coverupers, it would have taken a lot longer to dig out why intel has been watching, stalking and harassing Judyth for so many years. If these folks had just had some basic training in effective sophistry, casuistry and speciousness, they could have done a better job delaying the discovery of the reason for all the harassment of Judyth and the coverup. But alas of course the very best work they could have done in regard to Judyth would been to have left her alone and never even commented on the forums. Even these coverup ops and intel hangerons have been dumbed down!
Jim, your psy ops expert talks about "coverupers" plural. I sincerely hope he is not labelling me as a, curious phrase, "coveruper".
David Guyatt Wrote:Jim, please can we return to JVB?
I'm sorry to say that I'm not a fan of your sources back-slapping self congratulations. Nor do I agree with his analysis about his own apparently remarkable analytical abilities.
This thread has been diverted enough because of Mr. Mack's tireless petty point scoring, and I really don't think it would now benefit if it became a mouth organ for an unidentified source of unknown abilities.
No disrespect is directed at you personally.
I agree with all of David's sentiments.
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - Jan Klimkowski - 22-03-2010
James H. Fetzer Wrote:Jan,
Did you overlook that I updated that post and added this preface?
Jim
Jim - I've been at work all day, and I'm afraid I have no idea what has been added, updated, or whatever.
All I see is a long post from your anonymous "psy ops expert" talking about "coverupers" being exposed in this thread, but specifically excluding Jack White.
For once, I agree entirely with your anonymous "psy ops expert": Jack White "is another breed of cat altogether and is not dirty".
Amen to that.
However, I would also ask you to clarify whether your anonymous "psy ops expert" is accusing me of being a "coveruper".
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - James H. Fetzer - 22-03-2010
No. Of course not. He was alluding to Adrian Mack here and to others on the Education forum.
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:James H. Fetzer Wrote:Jan,
Did you overlook that I updated that post and added this preface?
Jim
Jim - I've been at work all day, and I'm afraid I have no idea what has been added, updated, or whatever.
All I see is a long post from your anonymous "psy ops expert" talking about "coverupers" being exposed in this thread, but specifically excluding Jack White.
For once, I agree entirely with your anonymous "psy ops expert": Jack White "is another breed of cat altogether and is not dirty".
Amen to that.
However, I would also ask you to clarify whether your anonymous "psy ops expert" is accusing me of being a "coveruper".
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - Jan Klimkowski - 22-03-2010
James H. Fetzer Wrote:No. Of course not. He was alluding to Adrian Mack here and to others on the Education forum.
Jim - thank you for that clarification.
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - James H. Fetzer - 22-03-2010
JUDYTH RESPONDS WITH A POST ESPECIALLY FOR JACK WHITE:
[NOTE: Lola is my webmaster and assists me in preparing Judyth's
posts for publication, especially by sending me the right links to use
in posting. Judyth has mentioned Lola's name twice in this post, and
they have been engaged in separate correspondence of their own.]
LINKS TO 'HENRY'/'HARVEY' NAMES IN SECRET FILES FOR LHO
I look forward to investigating more closely a thread about how variants of Lee H. Oswald's names have been linked to files connected to Lee. This correlates well with information he gave to me, which is briefly mentioned in my book, but has been more extensively described in Livingstone's unauthorized publication of my larger book -- a publication I could not authorize due to the fact that I was not allowed to see the final rendition before it went to print. The book contains a great deal of supporting evidence, but a few errors did not get corrected as requested.
Livingstone, however, was ill.
Having said that, I would like to present some information to the research community in hopes that they can derive more information about Lee Oswald and his other names on file... I did not know at the time what 'cards' were and I still do not know what 'keys' are -- but Lee mentioned both, as I have tried to describe, best as I can, below. The conversation occurred a long time ago. However, I used to have an eidetic memory. My short term memory is not good since being hit in Dallas, but my long term memory is still generally intact.
I have placed a great deal of the book in dialogue form, which is primarily how I remembered it. The “he said"/"she said” means of offering the same information is very tedious and takes more space. The reconstruction of dialogue is acceptable in what is called "creative non-fiction", a genre of historical non-fiction which is classified as historically acceptable, under the condition that the reconstructed conversations strictly follow historic fact and events, to which conditions I have adhered.
The following information is for the research community, hoping it will help clarify things and open up new leads:
Lee said the opera by Tschaivoksky based on Aleksandar Pushkin's "The Queen of Spades" ("Pikova Dama") had a libretto that he would pick up in the theatre at Minsk and that it had to do with one of 'three cards'... The libretto had something circled in it that led him to look under a certain seat at the theatre for instructions....
Lee said he was required memorize the opera because various phrases would be related to various places he had to be....or maybe where to meet somebody... I can no longer remember...
He said that he had "three cards" and that the "cards" were also used in Mexico City as well as in the USSR. He even used "Pikova Dama" somehow in Mexico City. I do not know any other details on that.
"Pikova Dama" -- "The Queen of Spades" -- was an opera Lee was required to memorize. There are cards that are thrown into the air in the opera. The printed programs had cards on them. Now, of course, this is not the kind of cards mentioned in the articles I saw in the thread. But Lee said he 'had three cards' in the USSR. Later he told me he 'had three cards' in Mexico City.
I believe this is different from the circled cards on the libretto.
Lee said that he used many names. He mentioned 'Henry' to me as well and said it had been used by secretaries to create new files on him and that he hated his name 'Harvey'... He hated the name 'Henry', too...
He told me he was afraid of 'Jesus' -- I now know that was Angleton -- and went through considerable trouble to hide the fact that he had been interrogated in Moscow. In fact, hatey warned him in Moscow never to mention any interrogation, because he might then come under suspicion, having survived, if he ever returned to the US.
![[Image: 15gf3sz.jpg]](http://i41.tinypic.com/15gf3sz.jpg)
Lee said he acted as if he knew not a single word of Russian. He said he was weak from loss of blood and they forced him to stand a long time and would hit him if he moved.
Finally, they considered him an idiot and then gave him a very nice apartment, but would not let him go to college as he had desired. Lee had wanted to infiltrate the college systems and was bitterly disappointed at having no chance at that.
He and Ferrie told me that chess piece moves such as Queen-Knight were used for some projects of some kind. He said that the name 'Hidell' was a 'project name' associated with funds at his disposal...and at the disposal of some others as well...
Lee knew Cuba like the back of his hand, every single mountain by name, every village...I have no doubt that he could have been there...
I have told people ever since 1999 that Lee even knew the rivers, names of mountains, and all the government officials' names going back to 1950. He said he loved maps and had no problem memorizing such details.
He had continued this memorizing in the US after he returned, and occasionally refreshed his memory at the libraries in exams and New Orleans...
Of course, his stuff for FPCC came from the CIA -- I mean the booklets and pamphlets, not the flyers. There was no real 'fight' either.
== It was Lee who was shoved around and he did not resist at all. == Ruth Paine lied and said he put his hands over his face to protect his face... She wasn't there. Lee told me he had his hands behind his back and dared Bringuier to hit him -- which Bringuier proceeded to do.
But it was a sham from beginning to end. Bringuier dared to keep Lee's beloved Marine manual and some few years ago he had it for sale on eBay. I don’t know how he can live with himself. He knows the truth.
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This information can provide you insight, perhaps, into which threads are true. Lee said at the theatre in Minsk he came to showings of the opera many times, and under a seat a message was affixed with wax. (I think tape was scarce in Minsk back then.)...
Anyway, I remember with grief how Lee went from seat to seat in the Texas Theatre, starting upstairs in the balcony. I believe he was told to go there.
----------------------------
Lee told me about Mind control out at Atsugi, and he was not involved in that part of it, but one of his friends who was executed. One of his friends lost his nerve and did not finish his training as an agent... And they put him in that MK program at Atsugi to erase his memory, or whatever, and he supposedly committed suicide. Lee thought he was executed.
Attach the Death Angel at Atsugi that Lee told me about...They had some close fellowship there while being trained... I was able to locate this photo after much searching... It no longer can be found anywhere... This was very, very hard for me to find.
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Lola, believe it or not, Lee realized he was going to die by July. He was already in the plots and saw what was coming. He saw that either side was better off if he was dead.
Think about it:
James Jesus Angleton was his boss overseas (I knew him only as "Jesus" but it has to be the same person--Lee told me that 'ironically' "Jesus" was in charge of his life while he was in the USSR and when he returned, and that "Jesus" was not in the Bible.
I learned later this was the ruthless Angleton.
Lee said he had been interrogated and successfully made it through that, but could never tell "Jesus" because then he could have been tortured by US or 'vanished.' That's where I got the term from ('vanished').
You see, he was never fully trusted, he said, because he returned alive from the USSR.
![[Image: 160904doc.jpg]](http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/september2004/160904doc.jpg)
And the USSR, the longer it perceived he was alive, might go through and double check all he had done. Once he risked his life to go to Moscow. He also spoke to Powers who was shot down (U2 incident) but I failed to ask if it was in person or by phone, darn it...
Lola, we became very close.
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - Jan Klimkowski - 22-03-2010
James H. Fetzer Wrote:[B]JUDYTH RESPONDS WITH A POST ESPECIALLY FOR JACK WHITE:
(snip)
The following information is for the research community, hoping it will help clarify things and open up new leads:
Lee said the opera by Tschaivoksky based on Aleksandar Pushkin's "The Queen of Spades" ("Pikova Dama") had a libretto that he would pick up in the theatre at Minsk and that it had to do with one of 'three cards'... The libretto had something circled in it that led him to look under a certain seat at the theatre for instructions....
Lee said he was required memorize the opera because various phrases would be related to various places he had to be....or maybe where to meet somebody... I can no longer remember...
He said that he had "three cards" and that the "cards" were also used in Mexico City as well as in the USSR. He even used "Pikova Dama" somehow in Mexico City. I do not know any other details on that.
"Pikova Dama" -- "The Queen of Spades" -- was an opera Lee was required to memorize. There are cards that are thrown into the air in the opera. The printed programs had cards on them. Now, of course, this is not the kind of cards mentioned in the articles I saw in the thread. But Lee said he 'had three cards' in the USSR. Later he told me he 'had three cards' in Mexico City.
I believe this is different from the circled cards on the libretto.
Lee said that he used many names. He mentioned 'Henry' to me as well and said it had been used by secretaries to create new files on him and that he hated his name 'Harvey'... He hated the name 'Henry', too...
He told me he was afraid of 'Jesus' -- I now know that was Angleton -- and went through considerable trouble to hide the fact that he had been interrogated in Moscow. In fact, hatey warned him in Moscow never to mention any interrogation, because he might then come under suspicion, having survived, if he ever returned to the US.
Lee said he acted as if he knew not a single word of Russian. He said he was weak from loss of blood and they forced him to stand a long time and would hit him if he moved.
Finally, they considered him an idiot and then gave him a very nice apartment, but would not let him go to college as he had desired. Lee had wanted to infiltrate the college systems and was bitterly disappointed at having no chance at that.
He and Ferrie told me that chess piece moves such as Queen-Knight were used for some projects of some kind. He said that the name 'Hidell' was a 'project name' associated with funds at his disposal...and at the disposal of some others as well...
Lee knew Cuba like the back of his hand, every single mountain by name, every village...I have no doubt that he could have been there...
I have told people ever since 1999 that Lee even knew the rivers, names of mountains, and all the government officials' names going back to 1950. He said he loved maps and had no problem memorizing such details.
He had continued this memorizing in the US after he returned, and occasionally refreshed his memory at the libraries in exams and New Orleans...
Of course, his stuff for FPCC came from the CIA -- I mean the booklets and pamphlets, not the flyers. There was no real 'fight' either.
== It was Lee who was shoved around and he did not resist at all. == Ruth Paine lied and said he put his hands over his face to protect his face... She wasn't there. Lee told me he had his hands behind his back and dared Bringuier to hit him -- which Bringuier proceeded to do.
But it was a sham from beginning to end. Bringuier dared to keep Lee's beloved Marine manual and some few years ago he had it for sale on eBay. I don’t know how he can live with himself. He knows the truth.
This information can provide you insight, perhaps, into which threads are true. Lee said at the theatre in Minsk he came to showings of the opera many times, and under a seat a message was affixed with wax. (I think tape was scarce in Minsk back then.)...
Anyway, I remember with grief how Lee went from seat to seat in the Texas Theatre, starting upstairs in the balcony. I believe he was told to go there.
----------------------------
Lee told me about Mind control out at Atsugi, and he was not involved in that part of it, but one of his friends who was executed. One of his friends lost his nerve and did not finish his training as an agent... And they put him in that MK program at Atsugi to erase his memory, or whatever, and he supposedly committed suicide. Lee thought he was executed.
Attach the Death Angel at Atsugi that Lee told me about...They had some close fellowship there while being trained... I was able to locate this photo after much searching... It no longer can be found anywhere... This was very, very hard for me to find.
Judyth and Jim - thank you for this fascinating information.
Following are some tentative observations:
This information offers some evidence in support of the speculative hypothesis that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Manchurian Patsy.
One version of this hypothesis suggests that Oswald was subject to "MK-ULTRA" style programming at Atsugi (which was a known MK-ULTRA test centre).
Many researchers believe that Manchurian Patsies are much easier to create than Manchurian Candidates (aka programmed assassins). A Manchurian Patsy only has to be in the right place at the right time. A Manchurian Candidate would actually have to kill the target - an event so fraught with risk and unpredictability as to be an unlikely MO for those determined to assassinate a President.
Essentially, a Manchurian Patsy would be programmed to perform action x in response to a post-hypnotic trigger y. This technology was very well established by the 1960s. For instance, Rhodes Scholar and Colgate University Professor of Psychology, George Estabrooks, boasted of creating hypnotically programmed couriers in the 1930s and 40s, and of their being used operationally in WW2.
The following is pure speculation, and may be complete nonsense. However, theoretically, it would certainly be possible to programme a person to go to a certain seat in a theatre, or hunt obsessively for it, on seeing a post-hypnotic trigger with which that person had previously been programmed. A card of some sort is a classic post-hypnotic trigger.
Ideal for ensuring the patsy played their part in the Grand Guignol.
Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile - James H. Fetzer - 22-03-2010
ADDENDUM TO THE LAST POST FROM JUDYTH FOR JACK:
NOTE: Lola had asked Judyth for clarification about the final part of
this post, which has now arrived. So I am adding it for completeness.
Replace the original from the image of the document and continue with
the following:
You see, he was never fully trusted, he said, because he returned alive from the USSR.
And the USSR, perceiving that he was alive, might go through and double check all he had done. Once he risked his life to go to Moscow. He also spoke to Powers who was shot down (U2 incident) but I failed to ask if it was in person or by phone, darn it...
Lee and I became very close. I never could hear enough. He was not a talkative man, but eventually that changed as we grew closer. What impressed me the most was his appreciation of Kennedy and his loyalty to him. I had come from hostile anti-Kennedy territory in Florida, with anti-Castroites among my college friends, and he convinced me of JFK's courage and great capacity to make a difference in the country.
He despised LBJ and Nixon. He saw George Smathers, whom I had praised, as a traitor to Kennedy because Smathers was a segregationist who cow-towed constantly to LBJ. So imagine how I feel when I read lies that Oswald wanted to kill JFK. The very opposite was the case: he risked his life to try to save him.
I am grateful to Abraham Bolden for mentioning "Lee" as the informant to the FBI who saved Kennedy in Chicago. Lee told me he had worked hard to save Kennedy and had succeeded in one instance, which I reported to Shackelford and Platzman in 1999, as well as to "60 Minutes". Bolden confirmed that a "Lee" saved JFK from assassination in Chicago.
This makes sense to me, as Dr. Mary Sherman had many contacts in Chicago, coming originally from University of Chicago, and he said he relied on contacts to get the message through. He also dared to send some death threats as Dallas approached, hoping to get more security for JFK.
He was also present at the Stevenson UN Day event in Dallas when Stevenson was physically attacked by being spat upon and hit with a signboard during his speech. Lee had helped as one of the demonstrators and hoped the incident would increase security levels on JFK, for he knew if JFK made it to Dallas, he would have difficulty getting out alive unless extraordinary measures were taken.
He had penetrated (or was lured) into what he described as an assassination ring. The last meeting I knew of occurred on Sunday evening, the week before he assassination. He said he had never seen the individual he met a that time before. He wondered if they met so the characer would be able to kill him on the 22nd...
We talked about an hour and a half his last call, which ended about 37 1/2 hours before the assassination, ending very early Thursday AM... He wanted to spend Thursday night with his babies and Marina... He wept, and said he would be there to tell them goodbye.
JVB