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CIA Director Told RFK There Were Two Shooters - Phil Dragoo - 21-01-2013
I first saw the Zapruder film when Geraldo Rivera introduced it in the company of Robert Groden and Dick Gregory.
It was humming along and when JFK's head blew up I was catapulted from my seat across the room to the screen.
Sherry Fiester (Enemy of the Truth) sees a clear frontal shot in the blood spatter.
I question the smooth speed of the limo when Vince Palamara has his essay Delay On Elm: 59 Witnesses
I question the blackened back of the head at 317 and elsewhere
I question Zapruder's role as he was rubbing elbows with the other right-wingers, had Jeanne (DeMohrenschildt) as a partner
The two NPIC events (Brugioni, McMahon) and the presence of CD Jackson in the sequester and apparent manipulation figure
Nonetheless, the film is not a case-maker for the framers
It brought on the HSCA (albeit a Blakey-Joannides farce, with witnesses dropping like flies) as JFK by Stone did JFK Act and ARRB
No doubt the Greer "I Brake for Snipers" moment is suppressed though his and Kellerman's heads can't spin that fast
indicating missing frames
And of course the missing turn
The film could no more be admissable than any other item of alleged evidence, chain of custody being irreparably broken
At every turn the Warren (Dulles) report and its ten million deceptive words say
Who are you going to believe: your soulless, shameless, dogmatic government or your lying eyes
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CIA Director Told RFK There Were Two Shooters - Jim Hackett II - 21-01-2013
Many doubts arose for me in the 1970s, the first time I ever had the chance to examine the Paley preserved version that Jim Garrison held for a while. OK copies there of.
Missing people from compared films/photos and such made me suspicious long ago. Differences from sworn testimony also built upon the thing.
I have never seen any other film but versions of the released endorsed one.
However I know other versions exist because someone I know would not lie described another one to me in the 1980s.
From that day forward this issue is to me closed. The film Groden and Gregory brought to us through no fault of their own efforts is false. All Time-Life Z clips are junk for truth.
Have no doubt about the following though, I do greatly hope others can provide the proof to blow open the lies attending Zap and his friends.
Jim
CIA Director Told RFK There Were Two Shooters - Peter Lemkin - 21-01-2013
One could expand and specify, but those in the know here can fill in the 'blanks' themselves. I'd simply say that two pieces of falsified evidence [of many more], the Z-Film and the Backyard Photos, do retain, despite having been grossly tampered with [as well as other issues of set-up and presentation et al.] both bits of reality and, more importantly, can inform someone with sophisticated knowledge of the slight of hand performed on the Dallas DP and adjacent stages on 11/22/63 some REAL and usable information......starting with proof that evidence was fabricated and tampered with.....and on to more. Granted, neither should be admissible in Court...but there never will be another anyway...except the Court of Public Opinion. :wirlitzer:
CIA Director Told RFK There Were Two Shooters - David Josephs - 23-01-2013
Jim Hackett II Wrote:Many doubts arose for me in the 1970s, the first time I ever had the chance to examine the Paley preserved version that Jim Garrison held for a while. OK copies there of.
Missing people from compared films/photos and such made me suspicious long ago. Differences from sworn testimony also built upon the thing.
I have never seen any other film but versions of the released endorsed one.
However I know other versions exist because someone I know would not lie described another one to me in the 1980s.
From that day forward this issue is to me closed. The film Groden and Gregory brought to us through no fault of their own efforts is false. All Time-Life Z clips are junk for truth.
Have no doubt about the following though, I do greatly hope others can provide the proof to blow open the lies attending Zap and his friends.
Jim
The evidence, the proof to blow it open, is, imo, all there and easily described. Interpreted is more of a problem...
Attached are a few tables I used to try and trace the locations of the films... If you can help clarify the info here I believe we will find the copy of the original (imo #0184)
and how the rest of the films were switched, where and when... IMO Max Phillips' letter to Rowley gives ALOT away.
My questions... WHERE are the home movies from side A?
and Didn't Zap KEEP a copy and the original on the 22nd with the copy being shown to Stolley on the 23rd?
If Zap has 2 films, Sorrels has 2 films and another is sent to Rowley (who originated CE399 by giving it to Toss imo)
When were there 5 total films produced?
DJ
CD - 87 Folder 1
CO2 34030 11/22
9:55
To: Chief Rowley
From: Max D. Phillips
Subject: 8mm movie film showing President
Kennedy being shot
Enclosed is an 8mm movie film
taken by Mr. A. Zapruder, 501 Elm St., Dallas
Texas (RI8-6071)
Mr.. Zapruder was photographing
the President at the instant he was shot.
According to Mr. Zapruder, the position of
the assassin was behind Mr. Zapruder.
Note: Disregard personnelscenes
shown on Mr. Zapruder's film.. Mr. Zapruder
is in custody of the "master" film. Two prints
were given to SAIC Sorrels, this date.
The third print is forwarded.
Max D. Phillips
Special Agent - PRS
CIA Director Told RFK There Were Two Shooters - Jim Hackett II - 23-01-2013
Jim
CIA Director Told RFK There Were Two Shooters - David Josephs - 23-01-2013
Hopefully we can get some help with filling in the blanks
DJ
CIA Director Told RFK There Were Two Shooters - Peter Lemkin - 23-01-2013
August 30, 1970, Dallas - Death of Mr. Z.
I presume he was given an already altered copy - or two.
While by no means exhaustive, a tracing of the 'official' Z-film disposition and other
relevant facts of historical interest appears in order. Circa 24 November 1963,
Zapruder agreed to a $150,000 purchase price for television and movie rights
plus royalties. The first $25,000 was donated to Dallas police officer J. D. Tippit's
widow. Tippit had been murdered on the same day as JFK, and allegedly
by Oswald [2].
Interestingly, actual copyright of the original Z-film itself was not registered until
15 May 1967, by Time, Inc., the parent company of Life magazine [3]. On
6 March 1975, Geraldo Rivera showed Groden's Z-film version for the first time
on national television on his Good Night America talk show [4]. In April of 1975,
Time transferred the copyright back to the Zapruder family [5], purportedly
through assignment that reserved to Time unlimited non-exclusive print rights
to Zapruder frames [6]. On 13 July 1998, a digitized Z-film produced by MPI
Home Video debuted as a documentary [7].
On 1 August 1998, Z-film ownership was officially transferred to NARA [8]. On
3 August 1999, a Department of Justice special arbitration panel headed by
Philadelphia lawyer and former federal judge Arlin Adams and also composed of
former Department of Justice official Walter Dellinger and Kenneth Feinberg, a
Washington DC lawyer and law professor, announced that it had determined
eminent domain compensation to the Zapruder family (without copyright purchase)
to be $16 million plus interest, describing the film as "a unique historical
item of unprecedented worth" [9].
While the Arbitration Agreement states that "[n]othing in this Arbitration Agreement
alters LMH's right to fully enforce its Copyright" [10], that does not in itself
imbue by law a valid copyright if none existed by law at the time of said
Agreement, which it is argued herein that it did not. The provision might just as
Mike Pincher 3 Zapruder Film Copyright
ASSASSINATION RESEARCH / Vol. 3 No. 2 © Copyright 2005 Mike Pincher
well have more artfully read, "nothing in this Arbitration Agreement alters
LMH's right, be there any, to fully enforce whatever copyright enforcement
rights it may have". Eminent domain rights were at issue and nothing more. As
will be described later, the Archivist no longer treats the Z-film as though there
were copyright rights that remain to be respected.
Dellinger disagreed with the settlement figure, saying it was "simply too large an
amount". He purportedly would have assigned its value between $3 million and
$5 million [11]. While the panel said it reached its decision on 6 July 1999, that
was coincidentally the same tragic day that the airplane carrying JFK Jr. and
his wife crashed off Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts, killing them both, so
the announcement had been postponed in deference to the Kennedy family [12].
Jeff West, director of the Sixth Floor Museum (converted from the infamous
Texas School Book Depository in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, the assassination situs),
was quoted as saying the $16 million purchase price, plus interest, was a
"good, fair price for the family and the government" [13].
On 30 December 1999, the copyright to the Z-film was donated by the Zapruder
family, along with various artifacts, to the Sixth Floor Museum [14].