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ON FILM: Ruby and Oswald at TSBD? - Charles Drago - 01-03-2013
Magda Hassan Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:At first look....could be....but can't be more sure without some photo enhancement of stills. That appears to be just some 5-10 minutes after the shooting....perhaps. Why was this never noted before?
Well, yes, indeed. Why now? Where is this from?
See below and above.
Again, the footage appeared earlier today, I believe, on the EF Swamp. No one there seemed concerned that it could be a plant designed to disrupt the JFK research community by, among other means, enticing Fetzererites to embrace it as real.
ON FILM: Ruby and Oswald at TSBD? - Greg Burnham - 01-03-2013
David Josephs Wrote:So I pulled only the frames with this person in them... and created a gif...
DJ
Yes, David, that's it. Thanks for that gif.
Doppelgangers aplenty for all.
ON FILM: Ruby and Oswald at TSBD? - John Mooney - 01-03-2013
I don't think that's Oswald.
The hair is not right.
ON FILM: Ruby and Oswald at TSBD? - Peter Lemkin - 01-03-2013
David Josephs Wrote:So I pulled only the frames with this person in them... and created a gif...
DJ
Better, but do you have enhancement software to help delineate the head better? Very fuzzy/blurry. There are some good fractal-based plug-ins to photoshop or stand-alone programs that do this fairly well.
I agree, both LHO [and perhaps his double] and Jack Ruby were seen around the TSBD, so it wouldn't be too strange to find them in what appears to be close proximity in time and space...but where does this clip come from? What footage by what photographer? Even IF it turns out to show the two of them, I don't find it vastly changes anything. The more interesting would be LHO's position and movements, as I believe Craig when he said he saw one of the Oswalds [my rendition, not his] run down the grass slope and into a Rambler. Ruby spent the day watching over the scenario play out.
Personally, I've tired somewhat on the EXACT events of the shooting and just after....the efforts of most researchers and the cover-up crowd [pro and amateur] have concentrated a lot to too much on that, IMHO. Looking at all the persons with pre-knowledge of the assassination [often with details] and the cover-up which began from the time of the shooting until this very moment, along with the total security stand-down, evidence and witness tampering inform us as well as we need to be informed as to the nature and size of the conspiracy. New findings around DP and the TSBD are but icing on the cake. The official version is a total fabrication - and most all who promote it know it is; and they are as phony and disingenuous as it is. It was a ****ing coup d'etat - nothing less! Sadly, we still live under the heel of the heirs to that Coup. They plan on having a victory memorial on the 50th. They have lost - no one believes the official lies any more.
ON FILM: Ruby and Oswald at TSBD? - Jan Klimkowski - 01-03-2013
1) the poor quality of the source material and the distance from which the figures are filmed means that frame enhancement technology is highly unlikely to produce a definitive, beyond doubt, identification of either Oswald or Ruby.
2) even if either figure was definitively established as Oswald or Ruby, what does it prove other than that they were on the street, separately, at some time after the assassination? Which in the case of Oswald is not in serious doubt and in the case of Ruby is hardly surprising or revelatory.
Interaction between "Oswald" and "Ruby" would be revelatory. I see none between the two figures.
The description of "the other Zapruder film" seen by Rich DellaRosa or Greg Burnham contains material which renders "official Zapruder" as manipulated and doctored false truth.
The footage in the OP of this thread provides no revelations but plenty of scope for endless strife, argument, wasted energy and snake oil salesmanship.
If "the other Zapruder film" was found and authenticated, then it would be a bomb which destroys official history.
This "Oswald? Ruby? haze" film is a red herring which causes not a ripple on the pond.
ON FILM: Ruby and Oswald at TSBD? - Jan Klimkowski - 01-03-2013
Now here is a potential game changer.
Rich DellaRosa talks about the other Zapruder film.
ON FILM: Ruby and Oswald at TSBD? - Gordon Gray - 01-03-2013
If these figures prove to be Oswald and Ruby and can be shown to be taken in the same time frame, it would give support to this report:
"On November 30th, FBI Agent Alan Manning interviewed Mrs. Evelyn Harris. In his summary of that interview, he wrote: the daughter of Mrs. Lucy Lopez, a white woman married to a Mexican, worked at a sewing room across the street from the TSBD. Her daughter and some of the other girls knew Lee Harvey Oswald and also were acquainted with Jack Ruby. They observed Jack Ruby give Oswald a pistol when Oswald came out of the building. " http://www.ctka.net/pr198-jfk.html
ON FILM: Ruby and Oswald at TSBD? - David Josephs - 01-03-2013
To me, all this proves is that any number of people could have been mistaken for Oswald, including Oswald...
and that plays into the hands of the plan... mix one correct sighting (Craig's) with numerous "incorrect" yet planted sightings and confusion reigns.
After the fact, conspirators can now pick and choose which sightings help the story the most... and which are summarily dismissed.
White's ID of Oswald driving away in a rush for example.
The man in the alley behind the Theater
The man Brewer sees
The man Vinson(?) takes a plane with
The "other" man on the stairs in the theater
The man on the bus
The man who kills Tippit
Alice TX
Mexico City
Sports Drome
Gun Shop
Whether this is actually Oswald or not - which, like Peter, I agree that it is not possible to tell from these images. But I think we can say that if a witness was to see these people, quickly like we have, they may very well state they saw Oswald/Ruby.
In Armstrong's (and my) POV, it is very possible that LEE was in DP and seen with Ruby, while Harvey gets in the Rambler with the Cubans... but that's another dicussion for another time. https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?11232-ON-FILM-Ruby-and-Oswald-at-TSBD&p=65063#post65063 to see my gif of Lee and Harvey
Charles says that Kathleen Collins unearthed this... from where did you pull this Charles?
Where did KC post this originally and where are her comments about the origin?
I posted that image of Oswald by the steps talking to a cop... this film seems to either be just before or just after...
Maybe from the Couch film?
In terms of the descriptions of the OTHER film... they are incredibly eerie and much more consistent with witness testimony...
To me one of the most interesting and amazing pieces of this puzzle
DJ
ON FILM: Ruby and Oswald at TSBD? - Charles Drago - 01-03-2013
David Josephs Wrote:Charles says that Kathleen Collins unearthed this... from where did you pull this Charles?
Where did KC post this originally and where are her comments about the origin?
I was tipped off that she had posted it on the EF. As a regular poster there, you might have discovered this independently. Her version links to YouTube, where I viewed the footage and discovered that its source has posted hundreds of humor pieces.
ON FILM: Ruby and Oswald at TSBD? - David Josephs - 01-03-2013
Charles Drago Wrote:David Josephs Wrote:Charles says that Kathleen Collins unearthed this... from where did you pull this Charles?
Where did KC post this originally and where are her comments about the origin?
I was tipped off that she had posted it on the EF. As a regular poster there, you might have discovered this independently. Her version links to YouTube, where I viewed the footage and discovered that its source has posted hundreds of humor pieces.
I get in a tussle with Lamson over there from time to time... but simply cannot stomach it for very long.
Anytime a discussion gets interesting Lamson or DVP or some other yahoo starts in with adhoms and trolling
And then I get all those fun "personal emails" from GMack telling me how wrong I am LMAO.
There are some great minds there to be sure... but even a diamond is hard to find in a pile of elephant sh!t without getting your hands dirty.
I posted the same responses there as here showing what I could to compare Oswald with the film and Ruby's crossover walk.
No one showed any interest in exploring anything...
With regards to the original poster posting humor... if one searches for "Oswald" in his collection there are 24 such film from that weekend and Oswald related
http://www.youtube.com/user/Mobilecheese/videos?query=oswald
If you search for JFK you get well over 50 videos... so I think your characterization of the original poster while accurate - was a bit misleading.
There are some interesting videos but mostly regurgitated gifs and films at different speeds... yet none appear "faked" other than the one we know was, where we are looking over Zap's shoulder.
Now, if there was a film of Oswald, Ruby and Tippit having breakfast together... THAT would be interesting...
Cheers
DJ