+- Deep Politics Forum (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora)
+-- Forum: Deep Politics Forum (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/forum-1.html)
+--- Forum: JFK Assassination (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/forum-3.html)
+--- Thread: John McAdams part 1 (/thread-11178.html)
John McAdams part 1 - Albert Rossi - 15-08-2013
Tracy Riddle Wrote:I'm less suspicious of Fritz than I am of his supervisor, Asst Deputy Chief M.W. Stevenson.
Thanks, Tracy, good point about Stevenson. That's why I was being a little cagey. It may well be that Fritz was just following orders, but it is possible he may have been aware of what was going on.
John McAdams part 1 - Albert Doyle - 15-08-2013
I think a lot of people would have gladly donated to get DiEugenio next to McAdams at that debate. It would be well worth being given a copy of the video afterwards.
John McAdams part 1 - Jim DiEugenio - 15-08-2013
Like I said, i regretted not going afterwards.
But getting back to Fritz, if you look at the murder of Oswald, its pretty clear that it is made possible by Fritz breaking containment. Without him sprinting outwards to the car, Ruby does not have that clear alley to kill Oswald.
The other thing about Fritz is he was the guy who either dispersed the shells found at the scene, or he told Studebaker to do so. The photographs in the WC do not betray their original positioning. This is a point I go after McAdams on in part 2.
John McAdams part 1 - Albert Rossi - 15-08-2013
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:The other thing about Fritz is he was the guy who either dispersed the shells found at the scene, or he told Studebaker to do so. The photographs in the WC do not betray their original positioning. This is a point I go after McAdams on in part 2.
That's one of the things I was referring to above: "his being mixed up with the M-C shell casing shuffle that day".
John McAdams part 1 - Charles Drago - 15-08-2013
Bumped with the hope of wider readership.
Charles Drago Wrote:You dance with the crazy daddy of death ...
he fingers you, and you cry gotcha!.
_____________________________________
a wind has blown the rain away and blown
the sky away and all the leaves away,
and the trees stand. I think i too have known
autumn too long
(and what have you to say,
wind wind winddid you love somebody
and have you the petal of somewhere in your heart
pinched from dumb summer?
O crazy daddy
of death dance cruelly for us and start
the last leaf whirling in the final brain
of air!)Let us as we have seen see
doom's integration………a wind has blown the rain
away and the leaves and the sky and the
trees stand:
the trees stand. The trees,
suddenly wait against the moon's face.
-- e. e. cummings
John McAdams part 1 - Jim DiEugenio - 15-08-2013
GO to the 1 hour and nine minute mark here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gBxMJFQd04
This is what I mean. It is Fritz who got Oswald killed. And the WC, no surprise, did not ask one question as to why he left Oswald unprotected.
BTW, if you scroll the film back to about 1 hour and 8 minutes, you will see that Ruby is hiding behind a cop. I think its Harrison.
IF you then add in the fact of Dean's perjury about the door Ruby came in, you will see that its the DPD that got Oswald killed.
BTW, Burt Griffin actually wanted to explore this. But when Wade responded negatively, Warren backed off.
John McAdams part 1 - Mitchell Severson - 15-08-2013
Good article, Jim. You do an excellent job criticizing the critics of the critics. The funniest thing on the McAdams site is his BS on the "Single Bullet Theory". He seems to think he can reference Boswell's diagram (from the Baltimore Sun-Times) showing a wound on the back of the neck (at least an inch above the shoulders and more or less in line with the Rydberg drawing) to discredit those critics who rely on the autopsy face sheet. I'd let it go as another case of "choose your own evidence", but he proceeds to post a picture of Kennedy's BACK in the crosshairs from Dale Myers work! Which is it, back or neck? Cognitive dissonance on the same damn web page.
John McAdams part 1 - Tracy Riddle - 15-08-2013
Oh yes, I'm sure Fritz was involved in getting Oswald killed. That doesn't necessarily mean he was involved in the plot against JFK. This is similar to LNers "proving" that Oswald killed JFK because he allegedly killed Tippit.
I think there were MANY Dallas police who were roped into the cover-up of both JFK and the Oswald killing, who were not involved in the plot ahead of time. Protect the department, your career, your pension, the city's reputation, your life and family...the institutional pressure to go along with an official story is overwhelming.
John McAdams part 1 - Albert Rossi - 15-08-2013
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Oh yes, I'm sure Fritz was involved in getting Oswald killed. That doesn't necessarily mean he was involved in the plot against JFK. This is similar to LNers "proving" that Oswald killed JFK because he allegedly killed Tippit.
I think there were MANY Dallas police who were roped into the cover-up of both JFK and the Oswald killing, who were not involved in the plot ahead of time. Protect the department, your career, your pension, the city's reputation, your life and family...the institutional pressure to go along with an official story is overwhelming.
Tracy, I wasn't implying he was part of the plot to kill JFK. All I was saying was that he was involved in enough dubious activities concerning the framing (and elimination) of Oswald as to question the level of his awareness and participation in it.
And, what you say could apply to many participants in the broader cover-up, not just the Dallas police department. Cover stories, institutional or bureaucratic pressure or inertia, compartmentalization, following of chain of command, etc., etc. We are familiar enough with this kind of thing, I think.
John McAdams part 1 - Magda Hassan - 16-08-2013
Albert Rossi Wrote:Judging from the amount of DPD cases under Alexander's prosecution which have since been overturned I'd say the JFK case was just standard operating proceedure. All sorts of rackets and cover ups were running there.Tracy Riddle Wrote:Oh yes, I'm sure Fritz was involved in getting Oswald killed. That doesn't necessarily mean he was involved in the plot against JFK. This is similar to LNers "proving" that Oswald killed JFK because he allegedly killed Tippit.
I think there were MANY Dallas police who were roped into the cover-up of both JFK and the Oswald killing, who were not involved in the plot ahead of time. Protect the department, your career, your pension, the city's reputation, your life and family...the institutional pressure to go along with an official story is overwhelming.
Tracy, I wasn't implying he was part of the plot to kill JFK. All I was saying was that he was involved in enough dubious activities concerning the framing (and elimination) of Oswald as to question the level of his awareness and participation in it.
And, what you say could apply to many participants in the broader cover-up, not just the Dallas police department. Cover stories, institutional or bureaucratic pressure or inertia, compartmentalization, following of chain of command, etc., etc. We are familiar enough with this kind of thing, I think.