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Veciana Death and Confession - Dawn Meredith - 02-12-2013
Anthony DeFiore Wrote:What exactly about believing Tosh are youPeter Lemkin Wrote:Someone very likely [at least posing to be a member] in the 'Research Community' started on purpose the rumor that Veciana was dead coincident with the release of this letter. He is not - and they knew it. Why did they do this? I've been given names as to who they are, but been asked not to repeat the names and I won't. Strange goings on behind the scenes. I'm not even sure if Veciana is dying. He is old, yes, but I think he was convinced to do this for the 50th, and because he knows he won't live much longer.
Sorry Pete, this one's got legs, and its headed for the end zone! I believe Tosh! TD
referencing?
Tosh has said Tony is not dead. Another person confirmed and said he spoke with him very recently.
This IS big but MSM will NEVER touch it. I have requested that this person who is close to the man thank him for thank him for this. I no longer have his phone number.
And did not wish to ask for it as he is very ill. (I was stunned to have been able to find him years ago via white pages. ). But I learned decades ago that many in this case do have listed phone numbers and before internet 4-11 worked just fine in tracking down folks.
Dawn
Veciana Death and Confession - Seamus Coogan - 02-12-2013
Holy shit Dawn was he in the White Pages? That's amazing, I would have shat myself calling him! "Bill O'Reilly where are you?" ROFL.
Veciana Death and Confession - Vasilios Vazakas - 03-12-2013
Awesome news. Gaeton Fonzi was right all along. I always believed that Phillips along with Goodpasture and Angleton was part of the plot to frame Oswald for the President's murder.
That's why i was puzzled when i read Bill Simpich's Preface of his "State Secret" ebook on Mary Ferrell
site.
from the preface
"I offer the hypothesis that David Morales ran a piggy-backed operation on top of an anti-Fair Play for Cuba Committee operation run by CIA officer John Tilton and FBI agent Lambert Anderson, outwitted both Angleton and Goodpasture, brought down the President, and got away with it....Others have argued to me that Angleton and covert action chief David Phillips were part of a plan to kill Kennedy, but my present perspective is that both of them like Goodpasture and operations chief Richard Helms, who I believe were in on the molehunt - were entrapped by the impersonation.
Angleton and Phillips drove the cover-up for their own protection. Otherwise, their careers and reputations would have been ruined, to say nothing of the future of the CIA. Phillips told investigator Kevin Walsh shortly before he died that he believed American intelligence officers were involved in the assassination. Angleton's last words were filled with regret and sorrow. "I've made so many mistakes."
i find it hard to believe that Morales from down there in Miami managed to outfox all of them
and plan the perfect murder. However Simpich's book is not finished yet, so we'll have to wait for its conclusion. It will also be interesting to read JOhn Newman's new book, to see if he still hold on his thesis that Angleton was the man that designed the Mexico City plot.
Veciana Death and Confession - Peter Lemkin - 03-12-2013
Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Awesome news. Gaeton Fonzi was right all along. I always believed that Phillips along with Goodpasture and Angleton was part of the plot to frame Oswald for the President's murder.
That's why i was puzzled when i read Bill Simpich's Preface of his "State Secret" ebook on Mary Ferrell
site.
from the preface
"I offer the hypothesis that David Morales ran a piggy-backed operation on top of an anti-Fair Play for Cuba Committee operation run by CIA officer John Tilton and FBI agent Lambert Anderson, outwitted both Angleton and Goodpasture, brought down the President, and got away with it....Others have argued to me that Angleton and covert action chief David Phillips were part of a plan to kill Kennedy, but my present perspective is that both of them like Goodpasture and operations chief Richard Helms, who I believe were in on the molehunt - were entrapped by the impersonation.
Angleton and Phillips drove the cover-up for their own protection. Otherwise, their careers and reputations would have been ruined, to say nothing of the future of the CIA. Phillips told investigator Kevin Walsh shortly before he died that he believed American intelligence officers were involved in the assassination. Angleton's last words were filled with regret and sorrow. "I've made so many mistakes."
i find it hard to believe that Morales from down there in Miami managed to outfox all of them
and plan the perfect murder. However Simpich's book is not finished yet, so we'll have to wait for its conclusion. It will also be interesting to read JOhn Newman's new book, to see if he still hold on his thesis that Angleton was the man that designed the Mexico City plot.
Morales and his compadres at JM/WAVE, along with some of their longstanding cut-outs and 'fired' or 're-positioned' friends were, indeed IMO, involved [as were other groupings!!!]. The entire plot grew and grew new 'hydra heads' as time went on. Due to both compartmentalization and rivalries, various groupings may have been doing some overlap and somethings at slightly cross purposes. While I agree that Simpich's excellent work on MC may well have JM/WAVE wrong, in part, it may turn out that both were pulling Oswald's strings and setting him up. There many even have been someone or some small grouping coordinating this from above. Anyone who thinks the entire plot was a simple and streamlined one is naive. Many different forces 'in on it' had their own agendas and due to compartmentalization on a HUGE operation and cover-up may, at times, been at cross purposes and not fully coordinated. Alternatively, these was all cleverly constructed to hide the real nature, purpose, goals, participants, and to make researchers chase endless blind alleys and face halls of mirrors for a 100 years - until no one cared emotionally, such as is now true of the Lincoln Assassination. With all that said, I think we are narrowing in on a clear picture...sometimes three steps forward and one back. It was a public execution by an every growing set of groupings. It was also a Coup d'etat [IMO still in effect]. It was a re-ordering of the USA, secretly. It involved both coordination and rivalries; successes and mistakes. Overall, it succeeded and the cover-up, envisioned from the get-go is in full effect and pulling the wool over most American's eyes - if only partially. Persevere...we are inching closer. We won't all agree, but the 'official bullshit version' is utterly destroyed, and the rubble of its destruction now bouncing with every new investigative discovery and advance.
Veciana Death and Confession - Albert Doyle - 03-12-2013
JFK moved against JMWAVE in March 1963. I'm sure this only aided those trying to get support for his assassination.
Veciana Death and Confession - Vasilios Vazakas - 03-12-2013
Albert Doyle Wrote:JFK moved against JMWAVE in March 1963. I'm sure this only aided those trying to get support for his assassination.
what this has to do with Simpich's view that Angleton, Phillips and Goodpasture were innocent
Veciana Death and Confession - Albert Doyle - 03-12-2013
Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:JFK moved against JMWAVE in March 1963. I'm sure this only aided those trying to get support for his assassination.
what this has to do with Simpich's view that Angleton, Phillips and Goodpasture were innocent
It should be obvious. Morales would be more likely to be motivated by JFK's direct move against JMWAVE as would those CIA exiles and CIA at JMWAVE. This could only be seen by them as moving directly against the anti-Castro Cubans and for Castro. I look at it more simply however. CIA had much more motive and means than Morales.
Veciana Death and Confession - Dawn Meredith - 05-12-2013
Seamus Coogan Wrote:Holy shit Dawn was he in the White Pages? That's amazing, I would have shat myself calling him! "Bill O'Reilly where are you?" ROFL.Someone should email this sob. Billo I mean. But he would just ignore it. Gotta keep those millions coming in. "The no spin zone" Gag!!
Ya, back then people had published phone numbers. Now many have switched to cell only so finding people will be a lot harder unless they come up with a directory for cell numbers.
Dawn
Veciana Death and Confession - Anthony DeFiore - 05-12-2013
Dawn, his Inside Edition expose on the assassination and then Killing Kennedy puts this guy in the "Benedict Arnold" bin where no body can trust a thing he sez...except the zealots from faux news. TD
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Seamus Coogan Wrote:Holy shit Dawn was he in the White Pages? That's amazing, I would have shat myself calling him! "Bill O'Reilly where are you?" ROFL.Someone should email this sob. Billo I mean. But he would just ignore it. Gotta keep those millions coming in. "The no spin zone" Gag!!
Ya, back then people had published phone numbers. Now many have switched to cell only so finding people will be a lot harder unless they come up with a directory for cell numbers.
Dawn