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Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Lemkin - 07-04-2009
I think most of us don't quite realize how pivotal this paper is. It will not change the Public perception quickly...but slowly it will change much. The follow-on papers promised both in the article and in the comments posted above by Jones et al. will destroy what little remains of the official fiction, IMO. The 'unspeakable' has arrived at Ground Zero - as it did in Dallas and needs to be given a voice. As Charles said and others have given voice to, America is in deep doo-doo. Beyond belief. Load in the current collapse of the 'standard' model of Corporate-Financial-Speculative-Unregulated-Capitalism and I agree with Peter - anything can happen and the continuation of America as it has existed up to now is NOT assured. I almost would bet [and I need the money] that come ten years from now it will not exist as it does now...not in any recognizable way....but how it will change, I dare not bet on - yet. There are nightmare scenarios and there are better ones. The nightmare scenarios are championed by those behind the curtains as their only way of keeping control and power/wealth. And there are the better outcomes - less likely - but POSSIBLE - dare we hope - dare we try - dare we fight for? The level of change for any of these 'better' outcomes are mind-boggling; revolutionary in every meaning of that term. A complete paradigm shift; a complete change of priorities and moral quest, as a civilization, Nation, People. The Planet Gaia has reached its limits of humanity's abuse. The 'system' dominant on the Planet Gaia has reached its limit of abuse. We are living in both dangerous and interesting times. We are damned and priviliged to live in the/a time of change. How it changes is up to the collective 'us'. The majority, IMO, are pitted against the minority elite. This battle is about 14,000 years old [read The Chalice And The Blade by Eisler] and has finally come to the moment of 'deneumont', IMO. The chances of a positive outcome (to me) are slim, but WELL worth the fight! Without hope, there is not reason to carry on. We JUST MIGHT pull it off........we must put our shoulders to the wheel and try with all our might. Now, I believe, is the time for maximum effort. The global economic collapse is both the worst of outcomes and the best of possibilities - perhaps our last chance......................
From Dallas to 911 to the Economic Collapse.......the pattern is the same, the Unspeakable manifest in each.....
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Lemkin - 08-04-2009
Charles Drago Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Oh, [a] guy from Brazil has posted it is paint and that they didn't test all types of paint, etc.....if you need a laugh [you know where to find it...]
I believe that the "guy from Brazil" referenced by Peter, along with being a real person, is a cover identity for disinformation agents who have thoroughly penetrated the forum on which they post under his name.
This is the same cover identity whose real-life father was intimately involved in the genocide conducted by Big Tobacco.
And now, as is per usual, a certain moderator has posted in response to my long explanation of why it was a totally valid scientific peer review process, "Oh, so you admit it was not peer-reviewed." They just throw out anything to negate - logic and honesty be damned. I just responded to the nonsensical response for those naive in the viewing audience. The two mentioned above are beyond the pale, and well into the unspeakable camp, IMO.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Magda Hassan - 08-04-2009
Sorry but I can't help myself.
Quote:From another forum:Please tell me that this is not the same moderator (from another forum) who banned Jan from posting unless Jan agreed that the moderator could 'rewrite' his post because Jan rightly questioned the extremely dubious piece of psyop crap masquerading as a 'Peer Reviewed' 911 journal of another member there ??? WTF!!! Does this person know about peer review of any kind? Does he know which way is up? He can't be serious?
Peter,
The authors of the paper you have quoted have - in the 911 regard - a reputation for avoiding peer review of their papers. When they have had such material peer reviewed, it has been unanimously rejected.
Can you advise us when the paper will be submitted to a peer-reviewed journal such as:
[URL="http://pubs.acs.org/journal/achre4?cookieSet=1"]
[/URL]Accounts of Chemical Research
Journal of the Amerciian Chemical Society
Journal of Chemical Physics
etc?
The authors of the paper you have quoted have - in the 911 regard - a reputation for avoiding peer review of their papers. When they have had such material peer reviewed, it has been unanimously rejected.
Some people should stick to pulling legs off fleas.
Now if only it had been 'peer reviewed' in that journal manufactured by that boy from Brazil. Everyone would be happy.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Lemkin - 08-04-2009
Magda Hassan Wrote:Sorry but I can't help myself.
Quote:From another forum:Please tell me that this is not the same moderator (from another forum) who banned Jan from posting unless Jan agreed that the moderator could 'rewrite' his post because Jan rightly questioned the extremely dubious piece of psyop crap masquerading as a 'Peer Reviewed' 911 journal of another member there ??? WTF!!! Does this person know about peer review of any kind? Does he know which way is up? He can't be serious?
Peter,
The authors of the paper you have quoted have - in the 911 regard - a reputation for avoiding peer review of their papers. When they have had such material peer reviewed, it has been unanimously rejected.
Can you advise us when the paper will be submitted to a peer-reviewed journal such as:
[URL="http://pubs.acs.org/journal/achre4?cookieSet=1"]
[/URL]Accounts of Chemical Research
Journal of the Amerciian Chemical Society
Journal of Chemical Physics
etc?
The authors of the paper you have quoted have - in the 911 regard - a reputation for avoiding peer review of their papers. When they have had such material peer reviewed, it has been unanimously rejected.
Some people should stick to pulling legs off fleas.
Now if only it had been 'peer reviewed' in that journal manufactured by that boy from Brazil. Everyone would be happy.
He's a 'good' Aussie Soldier and you should be proud of him - he's even an officer in your Navy, with an undisclosed security clearance, and flyboy. He's apparently gotten the mission or taken it upon himself to bomb all coherant information on 911 out of the 'waters' by whatever means necessary. For further laughs look at his and my exchanges - though he is way out of his depths on this one.....way, way, way.......
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Presland - 08-04-2009
Peter Lemkin Wrote:For further laughs look at his an my exchanges - though he is way out of his depths on this one.....way, way, way.......
An chance of a url - cos I'm still in the dark on this one?
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Magda Hassan - 08-04-2009
James Randii as a reference?! Oh dear, oh dear....He doesn't know does he?
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Lemkin - 08-04-2009
Peter Presland Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:For further laughs look at his an my exchanges - though he is way out of his depths on this one.....way, way, way.......
An chance of a url - cos I'm still in the dark on this one?
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14193&st=15#entry165394
...and I probably just posted my own expulsion from that Forum, but Burton's post made me 'see red'!
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Lemkin - 08-04-2009
Magda Hassan Wrote:James Randii as a reference?! Oh dear, oh dear....He doesn't know does he?
IMO he gets his talking points from others and ad libs his posts. He has NO business being a moderator. He has done more harm on that Forum than the boy from Brazil - but seems to work in parallel with him.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Presland - 08-04-2009
The general tone of a post often conveys more information than the content. The smug superiority on display over there is very much a case in point. The authors of a properly and rigorously peer-review paper castigated as 'rogues and scoundrels' with not even the pretence of a reasoned rebuttal. It reminds me of the treatment routinely meted out to criticism of Zionism for example. In similar fashion, 'Anti-Semite' is the reflex response, with no attempt to engage with the facts.
On these sorts of contentious issues where an iron-clad official orthodoxy prevails, the most telling consideration for me is the extent of 'professional' risk (and often risks to personal safety) that dissenting views must accept if they are to be heard. There is no question of Steven Jones and his co-authors seeking personal gain or currying favour with TPTB - or anyone else for that matter. That much is crystal clear to anyone with half a brain. Rather, they are taking considerable risks with their careers. That alone demands that they be given a fair hearing by fair-mind people capable of thinking for themselves. The scurrilous abuse evident on that thread tells me pretty much all I need to know about those orchestrating it.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Lemkin - 08-04-2009
Peter Presland Wrote:The general tone of a post often conveys more information than the content. The smug superiority on display over there is very much a case in point. The authors of a properly and rigorously peer-review paper castigated as 'rogues and scoundrels' with not even the pretence of a reasoned rebuttal. It reminds me of the treatment routinely meted out to criticism of Zionism for example. In similar fashion, 'Anti-Semite' is the reflex response, with no attempt to engage with the facts.
On these sorts of contentious issues where an iron-clad official orthodoxy prevails, the most telling consideration for me is the extent of 'professional' risk (and often risks to personal safety) that dissenting views must accept if they are to be heard. There is no question of Steven Jones and his co-authors seeking personal gain or currying favour with TPTB - or anyone else for that matter. That much is crystal clear to anyone with half a brain. Rather, they are taking considerable risks with their careers. That alone demands that they be given a fair hearing by fair-mind people capable of thinking for themselves. The scurrilous abuse evident on that thread tells me pretty much all I need to know about those orchestrating it.
What you don't know Peter is that 'B' is also a moderator and one known to change other's posts or remove them or close a thread or ban someone who displeases him [or whomever he might be doing the bidding of - formally or informally]. He and the other will tag-team to make sure there is a negative post on the article [substance not important - negation is!] at the bottom of the tread at all times. Newbees and most others on the Forum won't dare post anything for fear of being slammed. Jack and I [while we still have the privilege] will. I fear for my own posting rights remaining so after my last two posts...but I just got very angry. These are exactly the lumpen troops who carry out the disinformation efforts. There is a long history behind all this, but won't bore you.