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Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic? - Bruce Clemens - 26-04-2009 Look at Novavax's stock surge since Friday. http://www.google.com/finance?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=novavax&sa=N&tab=we&um=1 Researchers from Novavax and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention vaccinated mice and ferrets with H1N1. All of the immunized mice and ferrets were protected when exposed to a lethal dose of the 1918 influenza virus, and those animals that were immunized by the intranasal route were also protected against a lethal dose of a highly pathogenic bird flu strain. This is the first time protection against strains with different HA types has been reported. Having one vaccine which can protect against multiple strains of flu would be a great help when faced with pandemic flu situations, such as the current swine flu outbreak. A vaccine which can protect against multiple strains of flu is ideal for agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who stockpile vaccines for administration during the first wave of the pandemics. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1684714/new_vaccine_protects_against_multiple.html?cat=5 Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic? - Bruce Clemens - 27-04-2009 The first case was seen in Mexico on April 13. The outbreak coincided with the President Barack Obama’s trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at Mexico’s anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu, Reforma newspaper reported. The newspaper didn’t confirm if Solis had swine flu or not. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEsNownABJ6Q&refer=home Obama met in Mexico City with the director of the city's Museum of Anthropology, who died a week later from symptoms similar to flu. According to Mexico health officials, he did not have swine flu but had a preexisting condition and died of pneumonia. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-swine-obama27-2009apr27,0,2301972.story Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic? - Peter Lemkin - 27-04-2009 Bruce Clemens Wrote:The first case was seen in Mexico on April 13. The outbreak coincided with the President Barack Obama’s trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at Mexico’s anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu, Reforma newspaper reported. The newspaper didn’t confirm if Solis had swine flu or not. My, my, What a coincidence!.....add to that Rumsfeld's connections to the 'cure' and voila.....time for an investigation outside of the purely medical one....don't hold your breath [unless some with the flu sneezes near you]. Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic? - Magda Hassan - 27-04-2009 Very interesting isn't it? Assassination (attempt) by virus? Reminds me of the attempt on Carter by the two whose names contained 'Lee Harvey Oswald' Just a warning about who is in charge. I wonder how Obama is taking it all? I wonder who arranged the visit to Mexico? And when? Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic? - Peter Lemkin - 27-04-2009 Magda Hassan Wrote:Very interesting isn't it? Assassination (attempt) by virus? Reminds me of the attempt on Carter by the two whose names contained 'Lee Harvey Oswald' Just a warning about who is in charge. I wonder how Obama is taking it all? I wonder who arranged the visit to Mexico? And when? Well, as far as I know the President and top officials regularly take several drugs to ward-off antrax, flu and other diseases. There are also easier ways to kill a President [Dallas or (fill-in the assasination or accident)]. If it was such, it also put the whole f'n Planet at risk. Now 110 dead and counting..... ....the most frightening thing I just heard was an interview with a top World virologist who said he sees signs the virus is now starting to form more virulent forms [this is a natural process with this kind of new virus the human body is not used to]. If this happens [and it can continue to happen over and over], things will be very grim indeed. It seems [best I can find out now - very limited information] that the incubation period is about one week [when the person is symptomless]...the longer, the more dangerous they will / can infect others without knowing it. This is the middle range of incubation period, but not a good number. The most puzzling thing is that the only dead have been in Mexico, while by the odds some in the USA and elsewhere should also find it fatal. Second, it is most virulent to those in the age range 20-40, just as the 'Spanish Flu' of 1918. It seems to be a new varient of that old one perhaps? Flu usually most effects the very young and the very old - and show NO preference for nationality. Many puzzles here. One other thing. Read the article below and not the timing - just days before the flu outbreak....hmmm..... http://www.boston.com/news/science/article...thogen_mystery/ WASHINGTON - The US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases in Frederick, Md., is under investigation by the Army's Criminal Investigation Command for the possible disappearance of some of its stock of deadly pathogens, an Army spokesman said. The Frederick News-Post reported yesterday that since at least February, agents have been trying to discover what happened to pathogens that may have gone missing from 1987 to 2008. The investigation coincides with the suspension of most research at the Army lab in February as authorities attempt to find errors in an inventory of their biological materials. Christopher Grey, public affairs chief for the Criminal Investigation Command, confirmed yesterday that the command is investigating the possibility of missing virus samples from the institute. "We have an ongoing investigation at Fort Detrick," Grey said, but he declined to say when the investigation began or when it is likely to be completed. The investigation seems to center on missing samples of Venezuelan equine encephalitis, a mosquito-borne virus that usually causes a mild flulike illness but can also cause brain inflammation and death. It has potential for use as a biological weapon, but is far less lethal than some other agents the lab works with, such as anthrax bacteria and Ebola virus. The News-Post cited two support staff members who said they had been questioned by investigators from Fort Meade, Md., about missing samples of the virus. Alan Schmaljohn, a longtime scientist at the lab who now works for the University of Maryland, said he had also been questioned two or three months ago as someone who once had access to the virus. "They caught me on my cellphone on the road and I stopped and talked to them for quite a long time," Schmaljohn said. Schmaljohn said it wasn't clear from the questions exactly what the investigators sought, though he believed they wanted to know what happened to three missing vials carrying small quantities of the virus. "The number of vials is utterly meaningless," Schmaljohn said. "Three vials missing is no indication of any evildoing. . . . It's almost equivalent to saying you're missing 3 cents out of the national budget. . . . From the scientists' point of view it is inconsequential, but from the regulator's point of view it is an indication of sloppiness, and they are finally going to take rugged action." A problem in accounting for Venezuelan equine encephalitis was what triggered the earlier suspension of most research at the lab. A spot check in January found 20 samples of the virus in a box of vials instead of the 16 that had been listed in the institute's database, Caree Vander Linden, the spokeswoman for the institute, said in February. The lab has been under heavy pressure to tighten security since anthrax attacks in 2001 that killed five people and sickened 17 others. FBI investigators think the anthrax strain used in the attacks originated at the Army lab, and its prime suspect, Bruce E. Ivins, researched anthrax there. Ivins committed suicide last year. Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic? - Magda Hassan - 27-04-2009 I suspect that there are more effective ways to threaten him but time and place certainly are very interesting. Quote:The most puzzling thing is that the only dead have been in Mexico, while by the odds some in the USA and elsewhere should also find it fatal. Second, it is most virulent to those in the age range 20-40, just as the 'Spanish Flu' of 1918. It seems to be a new varient of that old one perhaps? Flu usually most effects the very young and the very old - and show NO preference for nationality.The holy grail for some eugenicists is to have a racially targeted means to reduce the population. Hitler tried to achieve this in a very heavy handed uncouth way but perhaps in the near future with the miracle of modern science..... it will once again be Springtime for Hitler and Germany By the way, nothing like the threat of a pandemic to take people's minds off the continued bankers coup/ unemployment/ homelessness/ war and what a good way for the installation of draconian social control measures? Perhaps with a free bail out to Big Pharma thrown in for good measure. Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic? - Peter Lemkin - 27-04-2009 Magda Hassan Wrote:I suspect that there are more effective ways to threaten him but time and place certainly are very interesting. Geneva - The Swiss pharmaceutical giant Roch, maker of influenza medication Tamiflu, saw its stock price rise 3.8 per cent in early trading Monday on the Zurich exchange on the back of the global swine flu outbreak. During the avian flu epidemic the drug was used heavily, particularly in South Asia. Shares in Roche were trading at close to 145 Swiss francs (126 dollars), up over five francs since the opening. Martina Rupp, a spokeswoman for Roche, said Tamiflu was deemed to be effective against the swine variant. "Tamiflu can always be used," she explained, noting that as an antiviral, unlike vaccines, it did not need to be adjusted to specific strains of flu. The research department at Roche was however looking into dosing schemes, checking to see "how much and for how long," meaning how many pills should be taken and over what period, to achieve maximum effectiveness. Rupp said Roche had donated in recent years 5 million doses of Tamiflu to the World Health Organisation. Of these, 2 million were distributed "to stockpiles in countries not yet well prepared" in the developing world. From the remaining doses, the company had 1.5 million doses in Switzerland and an identical amount in the US on standby as a "fire-blanket," to be distributed if needed in case of a pandemic. "We are waiting for WHO to ask us to deploy," Rupp said, noting that the company had the capacity to ramp up production if that was requested by the international organization. She added that in 2005, the full production capacity was never used. The WHO was preparing for the second meeting of its International Health Regulation Committee on Tuesday, after having convened one session over the weekend. A World Health Organization official said on Sunday that the world was better prepared for the current situation of swine flu, owing to steps taken by governments during the avian outbreak, including the stockpiling of needed drugs. -------------------------------------------------------- I don't know how many such pills are stockpiled, but the talk here of 13 million pills [no doubt there are many multiples more, but there are nearly 7 billion people and one takes this many times, not just once, to be effective!] Is there even enough to even take care of Mexico City? - who are they kidding?! Just heard the USA only has enough for 20% of the population...hmmm.....great.:elefant: I hope Katrina will not be the 'model' of who gets and who gets not..... Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic? - David Guyatt - 27-04-2009 I have about as much nouse on these things as a cake fairy, but I did notice the following alarum. Whether it has any validity or not I have no idea. Better minds than mine need to enquire. http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1986 Quote:Do Not Take A Swine Flu Vaccine! Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic? - Peter Lemkin - 27-04-2009 David Guyatt Wrote:I have about as much nouse on these things as a cake fairy, but I did notice the following alarum. Whether it has any validity or not I have no idea. Better minds than mine need to enquire. She raises some real and possible issues of concern. I'll try to research the specifics and get back soon on this. I do remember in my Public Health training reading about persons who got influenza and influenza-like diseases from vacines and there have been many flu and other such cases especially among the military, who often forces soldiers to take multiple shots and some very experimental vacines, at that. Remember however she has a DVM degree and I'd rather trust a PhD in virology from a private university who is not under government contracts. Meanwhile... Quote:it is now in Europe too: Spain reports three suspected cases of swine flu------------------------------------------ I'd suggest anyone worried get some fine-filter face masks, some comfortable surgical gloves and lots of liquid surgical disinfectant for hand cleaning and cleaning of surfaces. The flu shots and medicines should only be used at the last moment, if needed and under the advice of a trusted doctor - or two. I've not heard of side-effects of Tamiflu, but that doen't mean there aren't any. Flu shots have been, at times, the cause more than the cure...but in a life and death risk situation it can come down to a hobsons choice and difficult decision for the layman.--------------- Perhaps unrelated, but..... Quote:Military Industrial Complex Prepares Mass Graves for U.S. Citizens The latest figures suggest that the number of deaths and number of people admitted to hospital from what is believed to be swine flu continue to increase by about 25 per cent every day. Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic? - Peter Lemkin - 27-04-2009 150 dead in Mexico and 30 suspected cases in Spain.....50 in the USA 10 in the UK....3 in Germany, Several in NZ and Canada.............more than 20,000 people in Europe have come from Mexico City and other places the virus had infected recently. ......time for me to buy masks before the weekend even though most who have died are (strangely) between 20-40. Symptoms from those seriously ill include high fever, headache, eye pain, shortness of breath and extreme fatigue with rapid progression of symptoms to severe respiratory distress in about five days. it is picking-up speed................ Not connected, but Mexico has enough problems...and the coincidences are really getting amazing....just reported they had an earthquake - 6 on Richter Scale - in Mexico City! |