David Josephs Wrote:........
You see Bob... Feldsott describes the packing of surplus rifles in Italy assisted by the Italian military. Serial numbers are checked as they are packed.(this is all thanks to John Armstrong's work btw - these images are contained in the CD which accompanies the book) Many come from the Archives and are the only copies of the documents...

Here is a composite of all the info. I fail to see why they would remove the one unique identifier for each rifle - if this was done there'd be no way to follow any rifle unless it was restamped with a new unique # and start all over.

I too have heard this Bob - It makes little sense unless the rifles were destined for places where tracing the serial #'s was not a good idea.

Tom Scully Wrote:

David Josephs Wrote:Hey there Jim....

Doesn't that price jive with the scope mounting evidence thrown into the mix?

I know Ryder recants and is not sure after his statement - which was par for the course - especially since it was 3 holes he says he drilled and the MC only has the 2.
An undated receipt with Ozzie's name on it.


Here is what Holmes offered for the price of the rifle and why it was repeated and published.... (Moyer's piece on the rifle)
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The Holmes discovery is a complete fabrication, so like any other fabricated evidence which was found out - it was replaced by better and deeper evidence.

Holmes offers nothing to support his story other than the F&S ad. No PMO stub, no names of those who did the search. Nothing

Whereas the SS and USPS have Harold Marks and Robert Jackson (both ficticious names of men supposedly employees of the Fed Records Center) turn the PMO over to the SS at 10:10pm on the 23rd - Saturday.

Holmes claims it was found that morning.
This shows the SS finding it in Kansas City while the USPS recap directly conflicts.
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I apologize for the long post. But it seems reasonable proof is treated as an annoyance, or ignored.
So this may seem overwhelming, compared to some of the specific claims.

(Yeah, but we are accurate about every one of our other claims and conclusions. Really? How deep

and thoroughly have you looked?)

Quote:Publication: http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/52423260/
The Austin American iLocation:Austin, Texas
Issue Date:Saturday, January 15, 1949Pageage 2
....Mail Pouch With $75,000 Disappears CHICAGO. Jan. 14 (INS> Post i Office Department inspectors said ; Friday that a mail pouch contain- I ing between $75.000 and $80.000 dis- ! appeared Thursday night while en i route from a Waukesha. Wis bank to Chicago. J. Harold Marks, chief postal inâ–  spector in Chicago, declared that the pouch was supposed to have been placed aboard a through Soo Line tram which left Waukesha at ; 6:30 p. m. Thursday. It was due at the Federal Reserve Bank in Chicago at 9 30 p. m. Marks said the pouch contained, in part, bills that had been damaged in handling and which were to be replaced with new money. He said the mutilated bills...

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Quote: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=archivist+society+robert+jackson+alexandria&tbm=bksTHE AMERICAN ARCHIVIST VOLUME 27 1964 - Page 337

https://books.google.com/books?id=D8yxshMo8w0C

1964 - ‎Snippet view
DOROTHY HILL GERSACK, Editor Office of Federal Records Centers National Archives and Records Service Society of ... Norman, Okla. ; Anita Jackson, Baltimore, Md.; Robert H. Jackson, Alexandria, Va. ; Mary M. Johnson, Washington, ...

1. Holmes is told the PMO has been found by midday 11/23 due to his own PMO stub finding efforts
   
2. The Secret Service finds the PMO in Kansas City - where at 7:30pm local time Post Office Inspectors report they think the PMO would be wsent to KC and they were attempting to find it already
   
3. KROZ is called and told it was found in DC at 8pm local 9pm EST
   
4. MARKS hands a PMO to SS SA PARKER supposedly obtained by JACKSON at 10:10pm EST Sat night.
   

David Josephs Wrote:...........
And thanks for the Marks testimony - adds further proof the PMO had to be processed by the FRB of Chicago.

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But you didn't. So, until you can prove who the men were, their involvement in this PMO charade puts a much brighter light on the possibility they were not who they said they were but assisting the key players with an item of evidence that never existed in the first place.

DJ

Quote:http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/holmes1.htm
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Mr. HOLMES. I gave that information to my boss by telephone. He called Washington immediately. Of course this information included the money order number. This number was transmitted by phone to the chief inspector in Washington, who immediately got the money order center at Washington to begin a

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search, which they use IBM equipment to kick out this money order, and about 7 o'clock Saturday night they did kick out the original money order and sent it over by, so they said, by special conveyance to the Secret Service, chief of Secret Service at Washington now, and it turned out, so they said, to be the correct money order. I asked them by phone as to what it said on it, and it said it had been issued to A. J. Hidell, which to me then was the tip that I had the correct money order. Up to then I didn't know whether I had the correct money order or not....

Quote:[URL="https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=ssl&ei=_J14Vr3DBMyn-AX6l5PYCg#tbm=bks&q=%22*The+annual+payment+to+the+Federal+Reserve%2C+approximately+%24600%2C000+in+1961%2C+has+%22"]
Treasury-Post Office Departments and Executive Office ... - Page 144[/URL]
https://books.google.com/books?id=lRguAAAAMAAJ

United States. Congress. Senate. Committee on Appropriations - 1964 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions
...As the money orders issued on the new machines flow into the Federal Reserve System, Federal Reserve System, the Federal Reserve is no longer required to punch the amounts but can process them directly upon receipt. The annual payment to the Federal Reserve, approximately $600,000 in 1961, has now been eliminated.

Tom Scully Wrote:.....

Quote:https://books.google.com/books?id=SUbVAAAAMAAJ
United States. Congress. House. Committee on Appropriations - 1964 - ?Snippet view - ?page 143
Money Order Audit
Service Rendered
...........Print-punch order machines
In 1951 the use of a punched card money order was adopted and in 1955 the audit work was
centralized in Kansas City, Mo., for the entire country. Only the money order serial number was prepunched on the card. The amount was not punched until the money order reached the Federal Reserve System. A charge has always been made by the Federal Reserve for this keypunching work.

In fiscal 1961, the Department was given funds to buy money order issuing machines which could be used in all post offices and which would punch the amount into the order at the time of issuance. Deliveries of the equipment began late in the fiscal year 1962 and the machines were placed in operation in two regions. .....

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Quote:Let us see if one of the attorney reading here will vouch for your method of challenging the official record

Drew Phipps Wrote:

Quote:Let us see if one of the attorney reading here will vouch for your method of challenging the official record

a. Since whatever you guys are arguing about now didn't occur in a legal proceeding, it is unlikely that I or any attorney can offer you an opinion any more useful than anyone else, one way or another.

b. I don't truly understand what the dispute is here. Are you guys arguing about whether the money order was cashed/processed? (since there's no bank stamps, best evidence is "no," and I'd suggest the burden of proving that they were processed falls on the camp that says so, and I'm not convinced). Are you arguing about whether these witnesses actually existed? ( I'd defer to Tom's obvious genealogical expertise here.)

The bottom line (for me) is that the FBI and the Warren Commission basically wrote words into the witnesses' mouths anyways. Bob is right. To paraphrase from a film of that alleged moon-landing forger Stanley Kubrick, "It's full of lies!"

Quote:http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22439&p=320870
Lance Payette
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If the Post Office had a concern with the Klein's PMO in 1963, the PMO would have been located via the File Locator Number - which, following the assassination, it was. The "Pay to the order of the First National Bank of Chicago" endorsement, the File Locator Number and the fact that the PMO was located after the assassination precisely where it should have been, in the Federal Records Center, constitutes pretty much the ironclad proof that it was "processed by the US banking system." To preserve the conspiracy theory requires a cast of "creating the fake File Locator Number conspirators" and "placing the PMO within the Federal Records Center conspirators"...

Quote:http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22439&p=319002
Lance Payette - Posted 18 November 2015 - 09:38 PM

OK, one more. This may solve the ten digits at the top of the Klein's money order. It appears that they are the "File Locator Number" placed by the Treasury Department, which would seemingly be a pretty definite indication that the money order was processed.

I found on the website of the Computer History Museum a 1966 paper entitled "The Check Payment and Reconciliation Program of the U.S. Treasury: Present Status and Future Prospects" by George F. Stickney of the Treasury Department. It can be located here: https://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/afips/1966/5068/00/50680479.pdf


Five pages into the paper (page 483), the author explains what a "File Locator Number" is and provides a specimen Treasury check with the File Locator Number highlighted. The digits and location appear to be identical to the Klein's money order. .....