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Allen Dulles' "Indonesian Strategy" and the Assassination of JFK - Jim DiEugenio - 16-06-2016
Getting back to Poulgrain, this appears to be a really important book.
He did a lot oF original research.
He had written a previous volume on the Malaysia/Sukarno confrontation. That book concluded that contrary to what many people had written, that was not started by Sukarno. It was a deliberate provocation by the British in order to grease the skids to get rid of Sukarno, who they perceived as being too charismatic of a Third World leader. Most people forget that it was Sukarno who began the whole Non Aligned nations movement. That is, countries that did not want to be part of either the Soviet or American alliance system. This was one of the major strikes against him with the Dulles brothers.
JFK did not have any real problem with that stance. In fact, he welcomed it since he thought the USA could compete successfully with the Soviets in the Third World. George Ball, called this the Kennedy Doctrine.
Needless to say, it was abandoned after JFK was killed since LBJ did not like Sukarno, and as RFK and Jackie told the Soviets, Johnson was much too friendly with business interests to continue on the third path. That is what happened in Indonesia. Many of the Power Elite who knew the incredible wealth of the country and wanted it to be exposed to American imperialism, backed LBJ in the election. He came through for them, needless to say.
Poulgrain's book looks like a milestone in the field of Indonesia studies. Its a real shame he does not have an American or British publisher. Because his book appears to fall in line with the works of Mahoney, Rakove, and Muehlenbeck as the further excavation of Kennedy's revolutionary foreign policy.
Allen Dulles' "Indonesian Strategy" and the Assassination of JFK - Scott Kaiser - 17-06-2016
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Getting back to Poulgrain, this appears to be a really important book.
He did a lot oF original research.
He had written a previous volume on the Malaysia/Sukarno confrontation. That book concluded that contrary to what many people had written, that was not started by Sukarno. It was a deliberate provocation by the British in order to grease the skids to get rid of Sukarno, who they perceived as being too charismatic of a Third World leader. Most people forget that it was Sukarno who began the whole Non Aligned nations movement. That is, countries that did not want to be part of either the Soviet or American alliance system. This was one of the major strikes against him with the Dulles brothers.
JFK did not have any real problem with that stance. In fact, he welcomed it since he thought the USA could compete successfully with the Soviets in the Third World. George Ball, called this the Kennedy Doctrine.
Needless to say, it was abandoned after JFK was killed since LBJ did not like Sukarno, and as RFK and Jackie told the Soviets, Johnson was much too friendly with business interests to continue on the third path. That is what happened in Indonesia. Many of the Power Elite who knew the incredible wealth of the country and wanted it to be exposed to American imperialism, backed LBJ in the election. He came through for them, needless to say.
Poulgrain's book looks like a milestone in the field of Indonesia studies. Its a real shame he does not have an American or British publisher. Because his book appears to fall in line with the works of Mahoney, Rakove, and Muehlenbeck as the further excavation of Kennedy's revolutionary foreign policy.
For some reason, I find some humor towards my father's simi-confession, which seems to be an unscripted letter, evidence my mother held unto for over 40 years, she never said a word, imagine that, a woman not saying a word for over 40 years? I meant in regards to her husbands activities, and, I do believe had I not found my father's material, I would have not learned who my father was and what he did. In a portion of my father's letter, part of it is erased, but then, he re-wrote something else in its place. Could what he really wanted to say was, who was involved in the Big Event? Edwin Kaiser is discreet not to give away his end mission, or is he convincing enough not to admit a full confession by providing so little evidence, however, this letter is coming from someone no ones ever heard of, written by my father himself. I suppose, if no ones heard of Kaiser, then what is Scott's father saying in the quoted paragraph below?
"The Cuban people not only had in their heart the cry for freedom, justice, a new democratic government in Cuba but also the cry for "progress" they knew that the Monroe Doctrine made by President Monroe, which was made to protect the Americans, North, South and central from infiltration from other government foreign and abroad was not Kennedy. I asked myself? Do I have to see New York, Chicago or Dallas Texas? Budapest, Algeria, Vietnam or even like that small island 90 miles off the coast of Florida run by a puppet with a beard in what is a mock drama presumably by the communist party for our benefit."
Allen Dulles' "Indonesian Strategy" and the Assassination of JFK - Tracy Riddle - 17-06-2016
Scott, the Monroe Doctrine and US foreign policy have never been about protecting the freedoms of people in Latin America.
http://www.zompist.com/latam.html
https://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/cuba
https://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/ecuador
https://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/uruguay
https://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/guatemala
Allen Dulles' "Indonesian Strategy" and the Assassination of JFK - Jim DiEugenio - 17-06-2016
BTW, something that Kennedy told, I think Sorenson on the eve of the Democratic Convention in 1960, is really kind of ironic. Especially in light of what happened after he was killed.
He said, words to the effect: We have to win this thing. If we don't and either Johnson or Symington gets it, then we might as well have elected Foster Dulles or Nixon as far as foreign policy goes.
Well, considering what happened after 1963, Kennedy was prophetic.
Sukarno would leave agreed.
Allen Dulles' "Indonesian Strategy" and the Assassination of JFK - Scott Kaiser - 18-06-2016
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Scott, the Monroe Doctrine and US foreign policy have never been about protecting the freedoms of people in Latin America.
http://www.zompist.com/latam.html
https://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/cuba
https://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/ecuador
https://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/uruguay
https://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/guatemala
Hi Tracy, I believe what my father is saying here is the arrival of Russian troops in Cuba, communism had found its way into the Western Hemisphere. I'm sure this is what my father meant.
Allen Dulles' "Indonesian Strategy" and the Assassination of JFK - Jim DiEugenio - 19-06-2016
My intro to The Incubus of Intervention
http://ctka.net/2016/jfk-and-indonesia/intro.html
This appears to me to be a really key book in the unearthing of Kennedy's foreign policy after thirty years of camouflage by almost all his establishment biographers, all the way up to Dallek's two crappy books.
I will be working with Greg's publisher to try and find him an American distributor. Meanwhile, please read and buy if you can.
Allen Dulles' "Indonesian Strategy" and the Assassination of JFK - Scott Kaiser - 19-06-2016
Tracy, here is the second part of my father's quote from a five page letter he wrote, and my mother kept it from me for more than 40 years. I find what my father has to say is quit interesting.
Quote:Remembering what Joseph Stalin said, "what is mine is mine and what is yours is negotiable," what Nikita Khrushchev said in February holding up an ear of corn on Life magazine. "We will not fight the United States man to man we will infiltrate the government, their schools, their churches," all this went through my mind, I did what I thought any American should do. I was not silent like the so called"..
I believe there are lots of stories out there, and, everyone has a story to tell. I take my father's story, and meticulously research every name found in my father's address book, what I found was shocking to say the least. I also name many assassins found in my father's address book, names no one has ever heard of. If anyone thinks they've heard all the stories out there regarding Kennedy's assassination and Watergate, but felt disappointed due to lack of evidence, although, there are leading "experts regarding both events." You will soon read about a story that's jammed packed with evidence, and the strangest thing is, the material was there all this time for me to find. No one knows the full story, who could ever imagine it coming from an assassins son and exposes much more material ever known to any researcher.
What can I say to those before me, [thanks?] Those authors whose written books regarding these events in the past 53 years? Maybe, I should say. Hey, I'm not out to just change history, but, give history information it never had. And, if I'm providing a change to history, then I better have the evidence to back it up right? Not just my theory?
Allen Dulles' "Indonesian Strategy" and the Assassination of JFK - Jim DiEugenio - 21-06-2016
I don't recall the revelations from the TRC in South Africa about Dulles in on the Hammarskjold hit getting any exposure in the USA.
I hope I am wrong about that.
But IMO, its really important.
Allen Dulles' "Indonesian Strategy" and the Assassination of JFK - Anthony Thorne - 22-06-2016
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I don't recall the revelations from the TRC in South Africa about Dulles in on the Hammarskjold hit getting any exposure in the USA.
I'd certainly never heard of it until I read the excerpt. It does remind me a little of how testy guys like Richard Helms became when questioned about previous assassination plots during the 70's.
Allen Dulles' "Indonesian Strategy" and the Assassination of JFK - Jim DiEugenio - 22-06-2016
The HSCA actually did have a witness who talked about the Hammarskjold case and told them it was a CIA job.