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Manhattan DA To Probe Kilgallen Death - Albert Doyle - 04-02-2017 Anthony Thorne Wrote:I read Jim's article. A very good, informative piece. Anthony: Facebook has different settings. Pataky is posting in hidden mode. You have to be a "friend" to see it. His outwardness is part of his guilty conscience pattern and ghoulishly fits the profile of a CIA killer. Ironically, his pattern of semi-public exposure and giving of hints is similar to Monika Dannemann, the German woman who was involved in the covert murder of Jimi Hendrix by means of deceptively-applied barbiturates. Manhattan DA To Probe Kilgallen Death - Albert Doyle - 04-02-2017 Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Tom: Here you are again Jim. You're crediting Tom but you're not answering the point. While accusing others of distorting the evidence, what Tom is doing is taking what is probably a legal move on Janney's behalf, whose design and purpose is probably to keep Janney from being sued, and dishonestly using it to avoid the general implications of Mitchell himself that still don't disappear because of Tom's tricks. What Tom is doing is using a difficulty in legal proof on Janney's behalf to discredit Janney's entire thesis, but he does so by avoiding the implications of Mitchell himself that Janney has credibly established. That is totally disingenuous on Tom's behalf and leads away from a correct Deep Political understanding. Instead of criticizing it, like you would do with anything else, you credit Tom for it, but as anyone can see Tom hasn't rushed back to answer the real evidence I posted and neither have you. It's a double standard that you would never let anyone else get away with Jim. So while saying "nice work" to Tom you are helping him get away with not answering that there was a real Mitchell out there that Janney found good evidence against that still hasn't been answered. That's not exactly honest of you. Jim DiEugenio Wrote:As per Doyle, OMG, I was not talking about comparing Kilgallen to Janney. I was comparing Kilgallen to Mary M. Jesus, can't you even read straight on this? Jim, you're a smart man. Do I really need to explain how your above answer doesn't make any attempt to respond to what is actually being written? You know as well as I do that you referred to Janney as uncredible in your piece on Kilgallen. I've shown evidence that, contrary to what you and Tom write, there is good reason to think Janney has merit. There's a weird thing going on in the assassination research world. Jim DiEugenio, who is generally a sharp-witted destroyer of dubious research, is openly endorsing the ROKC pariah group and joining them in their attacks on real assassination conspiracy victims and therefore violating the Deep Political ethic of responsibility towards correct evidence. That's something I would never be allowed to get away with and, in my opinion, is damaging to the important standard this site practices (or used to anyway). It is actually myself who is offering the better analogy here since both Kilgallen and Mary Meyer are CIA assassination victims killed exactly because of their dangerous knowledge of the conspiracy behind JFK's killing. You're on the wrong side of this Jim, as your evasive answers show. Oh, by the way. You once again avoided answering for Davidson's metadata, which proves my point that you don't answer to facts... . Manhattan DA To Probe Kilgallen Death - Jim DiEugenio - 04-02-2017 Oh my aching back. Dorothy Kilgallen was a very experienced reporter who did a lot of work in covering controversial trials. Her record on the Sheppard case is quite interesting and commendable. She had a proven interest in the JFK case and worked with other interested parties like Mark Lane and Thayer Waldo. She then journeyed to New Orleans to meet with a private source. She had planned at the time of her death, two more investigatory trips, one to Dallas and one to New Orleans. Her phone lines she felt were bugged by the FBI, so she went ahead and called Lane via pay phones. She actually did have an outlet of 185 papers in syndication that she was communicating her doubts about on the JFK case. How on earth does any of that compare to Mary M? Mary was an art student. And one of the worst parts of Janney's confection is when he tries to turn her into Vince Salandria. In fact, that part is a bit ludicrous. Actually novelistic. You don't have to make any of that up with Kilgallen. And if Janney is afraid of being sued by Mitchell, maybe he should have never done what he did in the first place? I note, now he does not even mention the conversation he had with him at his doorstep? He says his maid or someone encountered him at a the door? Talk about overplaying your hand. BTW, he never replied to my critique of his book. Although he implies he did. Manhattan DA To Probe Kilgallen Death - Albert Doyle - 05-02-2017 Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Oh my aching back. The whole idea that Janney has to satisfy an invalid premise like the above is exactly what I'm talking about. All you are doing is creating a specious pretext that has no validity or bearing on what we are talking about. Because Dorothy Kilgallen had a better journalistic background than Mary Meyer does not negate or cancel out her very real victimhood. Nor does it remove her very real association with JFK on a personal basis. I think you tend to guard JFK from the personal bad habits he might have had (like anybody) in order to prevent the inroad some of the "second assassination of JFK" writers access in order to present a false history. Because of this I think you might be denying some very real interactions Mary Meyer had with JFK that made her both aware of what happened to JFK and why, and also a very real threat to the conspiracy that was resolved by covert assassination. So while you have covered the differences between Mary Meyer and Kilgallen you haven't covered their most relevant and important similarities. Jim, you're a smart man. You have to understand what I'm saying here. So I can only interpret your avoidance of it as deliberate. With that in mind your last reply only proves my point and shows that your line of reasoning is consciously, purposely evasive of the real evidence which is counter to the understood purpose of this board. When research reasoning denies a certain amount of real facts it becomes demagoguery and damaging to an understanding of the real truth. If you examine this discussion you have used a specious analysis of Kilgallen's journalistic background to, once again, avoid answering some very real incriminating evidence Janney produced. In my opinion valid research follows all leads of good evidence. If this discussion follows the same course as previous ones you and Tom will stick with your inadequate entries, wait a while, and then return with your negative dismissal of Janney. Jim DiEugenio Wrote:And if Janney is afraid of being sued by Mitchell, maybe he should have never done what he did in the first place? That omission is probably due to Tom's cherry-picking. It is my opinion that the present moribund state of the JFK research world is directly due to certain researchers becoming given, unchallenged sources and catering to their own need to fill their conspiracy research venues rather than practice strict objective analysis. The need to be sources for new groundbreaking discoveries and conversations has surpassed careful scrutiny of content leading to reckless claims that diminish the credibility of assassination research. The establishment of James Gordon and ROKC as determinative controlling sources has directly led to the dubious state of present JFK research and a new lowering of standards. One where researchers are encouraged to ignore truths like Davidson's metadata in order to conduct false conversations. On a side note, I scoffed at Bauer's suggestion that Kilgallen had been knocked-out with a mickey and then given the fatal dose after she was unconscious. However, his suggestion made me realize it wasn't so far-fetched since the barbiturates in question were bitter and the amount that would have overdosed Kilgallen would have been detectable if they were mixed in to a cocktail. Anyone ingesting an overdose amount of those barbiturates mixed in with a cocktail would immediately draw back and say "What the hell is in that?" Manhattan DA To Probe Kilgallen Death - Dawn Meredith - 05-02-2017 Can we just stay on the subject of Kilgallen. Janney has nothing to do with this case. Manhattan DA To Probe Kilgallen Death - Tom Scully - 05-02-2017 Tom Scully Wrote:....... Consider the following, especially if you believe that the residence in which Kilgallen's corpse was recovered was a crime scene. July 27, 1966, less than nine months after Dorothy's sudden death, her spouse since 1940, Richard T. Kollmar, was selling their 45 E. 68th St. townhouse.... the sale transaction in the Manhattan realty records indicates that by July 27, 1966 widower Kollmar was already residing four blocks north on E. 72nd St. The buyer of 45 E. 68th St., on February 2, 1968 : (Not only did Kollmar and his new wife want to live in the house in which Dorothy's body was found, they wanted to live there badly enough to pay a 25 percent premium!) ![]() Manhattan realty records indicate Manya Kahn during her brief ownership of the townhouse Kilgallen was found dead in borrowed through multiple, smaller additional mortgage liens to a degree that infers she was living off of the frequent secondary mortgages, the last lien ( link ) in exchange for cash in October, 1967. (I predict some will suspect Kollmar knew Dorothy's Jack Ruby file was still hidden in the townhouse.... or Kollmar was part of the crime or the cover up and had reason to regain control of the crime scene... ) ....and Jim, this linked page appears to display an admission by Peter in Sept., 2014, followed up in the third edition of the book released last fall. (see mid-article http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/09/05/the-murder-of-mary-pinchot-meyer/ ) Manhattan DA To Probe Kilgallen Death - Albert Doyle - 06-02-2017 Kollmar died in January 1971 but the 1972 article says he died 4 years earlier. (???) Manhattan DA To Probe Kilgallen Death - Jim DiEugenio - 06-02-2017 Tom, this is something that if you read my review closely, I thought Shaw overlooked. The possibility that Kollmar could have cooperated with whoever the actual plotters were. See, Kollmar told the police that Kilgallen got home at 11:30 that night. Shaw notes this, but he never really follows up on it. IMO, it cannot be true. The taping ended at about eleven, then she was seen by multiple witnesses at PJ's and then the Regency until around 2 AM. So why did he say that? And what did he base it on? And from what I can see, it looks like he had a role in disposing of her Ruby interview file and her JFK assassination file. PS I cannot get to that Mary M blog spot, because Sophos is telling me someone planted a malicious malware there, hmm, maybe Janney? Manhattan DA To Probe Kilgallen Death - Albert Doyle - 11-02-2017 I believe Kollmar was asked about the manuscript and he said it would never see the light of day. No one ever put it to him directly how that would serve the interests of his wife or the motive for her possible murder... |