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Russia Sees Multi-Polar World as It's Future -- Not Trump - Paul Rigby - 25-03-2017
Take the survey!
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/polls/russia-ukraine
Sanders' cynicism is oceanic & his fealty to core components of the CIA agenda simply appalling.
Russia Sees Multi-Polar World as It's Future -- Not Trump - David Guyatt - 25-03-2017
Magda Hassan Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:Mike Pence is a fully formed adult -- his politics aside.
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:::cokesniff::::darthvader::::flyingpig:::
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The only thing this 'adult' doesn't believe in is magic underpants and only because the Mormons have the market on that piece of insanity. Fundamentalist Catholics/Christians have their own well pack bags of delusional thinking, anti intellectualism, magical thinking, bigotry, dogmatism, irrationality. Pence is a fully paid up card carrying Christian fascist on a mission from his own self created invisible vengeful sky pilot. He is so far away from being an adult it is terrifying and in a whole other league from the tangerine cockwomble flim flam man on the make.
Agreed. Pence as president is shudder worthy.
Russia Sees Multi-Polar World as It's Future -- Not Trump - David Guyatt - 25-03-2017
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:Well, David, I would have to say your post clears things up. Well, said. And it's sad the Yelstin years placed Russia its current trajectory. Just sad?
Without the least bit of evidence, I wonder if some future Guido Preparata will tease out the current equivalents of Montague Norman and Hjalmar Schacht, if indeed they exist. Could Putin be piece in a vast danse macabre in ways yet to be imagined? I think its time for me to re-read Conjuring Hitler. One of my favorites.
Preparata has this to say in its conjuring of Hitler and WWII with particular notice to the bold text:
Quote: But the Hitlerites had to be duped into going to war against Russia with the guarantee that Britain,
and thus America, would remain neutral: Hitler would not want to repeat
the errors of World War I. Therefore Britain had to double' herself, so to
speak, into a pro-Nazi and anti-Nazi faction both of which, of course, were
components of one and the same fakery. The complex and rather grotesque
whole of Britain's foreign policy in the 1930s was indeed the result of these
ghastly theatrical diversions with which the Hitlerites were made to believe
that at any time the colorful Nazi-phile camp would overthrow the hawks
of the War Party, led by Winston Churchill, and sign a separate peace with
the Third Reich. The secret goal of this unbelievable mummery was to drive
Hitler away from the Mediterranean in 1941, and into the Soviet marshes,
which the British would in fact allow him to cleanse' for three years, until
the time would arrive to hem the Nazis in and ï¬nally crush them. (p. 204)
Just think about what he is saying with respect to the current hollering and at least wonder if the same tricks are being used now as in pre-war England.
I'm sure Preparata is absolutely right in this.
The British elite of the day, the upper-crust, landed gentry, royalty, aristo's etc., were almost to a man great admirers of Hitler. But, of course, Churchill was also of aristo blood, that of the Dukes of Marlborough - one of the great families of that time. The key aim of British foreign policy in Europe was to divide and conquer and all alliances were drawn up on the basis of pitting France against Germany and Germany against Russia etc. Pure Rhodes-Milner strategies.
I heard a hilarious definition of "upper crust" as told to Ray McGovern by his Irish grandmother --- "the upper crust are lots of crumbs held together by a load of dough."
Russia Sees Multi-Polar World as It's Future -- Not Trump - David Guyatt - 25-03-2017
Paul Rigby Wrote:Take the survey!
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/polls/russia-ukraine
Sanders' cynicism is oceanic & his fealty to core components of the CIA agenda simply appalling.
Oops.
And we must not forget that Bernie succumbed to pressure from Hilary's camp and told his supporters to vote for her. That stain is never going to leave him, I'm afraid.
Russia Sees Multi-Polar World as It's Future -- Not Trump - David Guyatt - 25-03-2017
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Well, David, I would have to say your post clears things up. Well, said. And it's sad the Yelstin years placed Russia its current trajectory. Just sad?
My view is that the Yeltsin years were terrible for Russia, which was being plundered violently and rapaciously, thanks to the emergent class of Mafiya and western bankers, advisers that swarmed around Yeltsin and the US engineered neoliberal order that replaced communism.
At that time the US elite could've taken a mature view of the Russia to come, and things would've worked out far better for all. But the elite couldn't control their ingrained urge to power and greed and took the decision to punish Russia for its sin of adopting communism. The plan was to banish it econmically back to the middle ages so that it couldn't rise again as a great power.
This was why Poppy Bush lashed out angrily at James Baker III and Herr Genscher, when Baker returned to report that he had agreed to the principal that NATO would move "one inch to the east" if Gorbachev would agree to allow the two Germany's to reunite. The US immediately reneged on this agreement (whereas the Russians held to their side of the bargain) and ever since has worked to push NATO as far east as they possibly can. One can easily understand how Putin has become as popular as he has inside Russia because he's restored some national pride.
You'll probably recall that circa early 1990's there was a period of several years when the term the "peace dividend" was almost daily discussed in the western media, following the end of the cold war. At the same time overseas US military bases were being closed and mothballed and personnel reduced. Things looked rosy to us all.
But.
The defence industry was hurting as never before at this and saw the future... and didn't like it one bit. In this context, I think we need to remember that the US became a global power solely because of WWII, therefore, war was viewed by its elite as it's greatest virtue and friend and a war economy its powerhouse and financial backbone, sinew and muscle. All of this was considerably threatened by a prolonged period of peace.
And so a prolonged period of peace was stifled at its infancy.
Say hello to the rise of the neocons and the penning of the Defence Planning Guidance for the Fiscal Years 1994-6 that has become better known as the Wolfowitz Doctrine. The core principal of this document was that only one superpower (the US) could dominate the world in perpetuity via the means of constructive behaviour (finance/economy) and military might (Pentagon) - in other words a carrot and stick approach. Of equal importance was the clause that no competitor nation, either friend or foe, be allowed to develop to challenge US supremacy.
The phrasing and meaning of this doctrine is clearly governed, in my view, by a massive Collective psychological inflation (hubris) - and this condition is always accompanied by a later and equally great fall from grace (HERE).
Which is what we are now seeing taking place, I suspect.
Russia Sees Multi-Polar World as It's Future -- Not Trump - Cliff Varnell - 25-03-2017
Paul Rigby Wrote:Take the survey!
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/polls/russia-ukraine
So...what is Sanders going to start WW3 over?
Ukraine?
Russia Sees Multi-Polar World as It's Future -- Not Trump - Cliff Varnell - 25-03-2017
David Guyatt Wrote:Paul Rigby Wrote:Take the survey!
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/polls/russia-ukraine
Sanders' cynicism is oceanic & his fealty to core components of the CIA agenda simply appalling.
Oops.
And we must not forget that Bernie succumbed to pressure from Hilary's camp and told his supporters to vote for her. That stain is never going to leave him, I'm afraid.
Like the stain of Trump on those who voiced their support for him?
Lot of folks with stains on them around the block, eh?
Russia Sees Multi-Polar World as It's Future -- Not Trump - Cliff Varnell - 25-03-2017
David Guyatt Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:Mike Pence is a fully formed adult -- his politics aside.
::orly::
:
:
The only thing this 'adult' doesn't believe in is magic underpants and only because the Mormons have the market on that piece of insanity. Fundamentalist Catholics/Christians have their own well pack bags of delusional thinking, anti intellectualism, magical thinking, bigotry, dogmatism, irrationality. Pence is a fully paid up card carrying Christian fascist on a mission from his own self created invisible vengeful sky pilot. He is so far away from being an adult it is terrifying and in a whole other league from the tangerine cockwomble flim flam man on the make.
Agreed. Pence as president is shudder worthy.
The Dominionist Proto-Autocracy is the worst of the American ruling elite.
By far.
That's a realization lots of folks are late for...
Russia Sees Multi-Polar World as It's Future -- Not Trump - Cliff Varnell - 25-03-2017
The only US President to finesse the Anglo-American Security State and live to enjoy it was Barack Obama with the deals he worked out with Putin on the removal of chemical weapons from Syria and nukes from Iran.
Obama haters will never acknowledge this.
Putin haters will never acknowledge this.
But these epochal, world-changing negotiations deserve recognition as such.
I prefer Berni Sanders over Elizabeth Warren because I fear her foreign policies would be worse.
A few weeks ago it was announced that Trump okayed US airstrikes on civilian targets, and now the US of A is slaughtering civilians.
Tell the dead that it didn't matter who became Prez...
Russia Sees Multi-Polar World as It's Future -- Not Trump - Lauren Johnson - 26-03-2017
David Guyatt Wrote:Paul Rigby Wrote:Take the survey!
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/polls/russia-ukraine
Sanders' cynicism is oceanic & his fealty to core components of the CIA agenda simply appalling.
Oops.
And we must not forget that Bernie succumbed to pressure from Hilary's camp and told his supporters to vote for her. That stain is never going to leave him, I'm afraid.
I think Bernie knew what his roll was and what it was not. We were supposed to think that The Bern had moved Hillary to the left and that it was now safe to vote for her.