Keith Millea Wrote:Yes,how about some more on Gurdjieff.If I remember during the Russian civil war he left with his adepts,and traveled to somewhere in Persia.Was that Turkish land or Iran?I believe he was studying the sufi mysteries.:joyman:

Quote:Idries Shah

While the educational work was progressing, Bennett learned of Idries Shah, an exponent of Naqshbandi Sufism. When they met, Shah presented Bennett with a document supporting his claim to represent the 'Guardians of the Tradition'. Bennett and other followers of Gurdjieff's ideas were astonished to meet a man claiming to represent what Gurdjieff had called 'The Inner Circle of Humanity', something they had discussed for so long without hope of its concrete manifestation.

Quote:In the commentary to verse 56 we have mentioned one of the most peculiar events of antiquity, the Persian communist revolution of Mazdek, a disciple of Mani. The Medes and the Persians were Indo-Europeans. Their native country was neither the Susiana of the Achaemenids, nor the mountainous region of the Parthians. Before they invaded these areas and founded their empires there, they had, for thousands of years, led a nomadic existence on the steppes of mysterious southern Russia, a land which in the night of prehistory seems to have influenced decisively the destiny of the Aryan race ... Were the "mushki" of Asia Minor simply Muzhiki? ... To come back to Mazdek and his communism, could it not be simply an attempt to return to the natural system of the Scythians, a system which, under the form of "mir," has survived until the present throughout the entire Muscovite empire, offering prepared ground for the Bolsheviks' social reform? Russian Communism is as old as Russia itself. Western Communism, a new and perhaps temporary form of theocratic Monarchy whose universal rule seems to us inevitable, certainly will be very different from Scythian bolshevism characterized by a double, Mongolian and Orthodox, imprint, as well as by a centuries-old tradition of groveling before German pedantry.

The East no longer has anything to offer us. ...

Chris Bowen Wrote:the following text refers to something that this thread has reminded me of , from the following book by a former adviser to Hitler :..

Chris Bowen Wrote:[size=12]the following text refers to something that this thread has reminded me of , from the following book by a former adviser to Hitler :[/SIZE]

Wagener, O. (1985). Hitler—Memoirs of a Confidant (Henry Ashby Turner, Jr. Ed.). (Ruth Hein, Trans.). London: Yale University Press. (Original work published 1978)

It appears that Hitler did approve of close and affectionate relations between older and younger men, and found a compelling theory to legitimize this in Karl von Reichenbach’s half-baked ideas on personal magnetism, or “Odic force,” as
Reichenbach termed it in the mid-nineteenth century.

Otto Wagener describes how Hitler became positively thrilled as the former
explained Reichenbach’s scheme—“Hitler grasped my arm and looked at me as if he were facing a glittering Christmas tree.” What had caught Hitler’s imagination so
immediately?
Reichenbach postulated that there was an actual, magnetic, “Odic force” that humans produced, most strongly when they were young. The old could produce only inadequate amounts of the force, but they were able to soak up the overproduction of the young through contact with them, though only if both parties were compatible (—the force did not flow randomly). Hitler did not understand this necessarily to be physical contact, but he did view the flow of these magnetic waves as the very key to the success of any military or para-military unit. The officer and his men ideally formed an “Odic community.” The same would be true for the Nazi Party as well: “Wagener, the mystery of the political organization and the organization of the SA has been solved! It’s not racially determined, it’s grounded in this problem!” The more Hitler thought about it, the more he became convinced that he had felt this Odic force: “…it’s the same when I spend time with young men. I have always said that I draw strength to continue my work from the beaming eyes of my young storm troopers. It’s the very same thing.”

Countless contemporaries have reported the mesmerizing effect of Hitler’s
staring deeply into their eyes. And that is the extent to which one would expect the
intimacy to go, given the later homophobia of the Nazi state. But in 1930 Hitler
apparently gave a cautious endorsement to more physical contact. He had rushed off to read Reichenbach’s book, and reported to Wagener that he was applying the ideas to his own thinking. Speaking explicitly of the attraction that young men and boys must feel for a suitably creative older man to whom they wish to transmit their surplus Odic force, the Nazi leader stated: “In my judgment, this has nothing to do with sex. But since the transference of Od energies occurs with greater force and more immediately through physical touch—shaking hands, caressing, even kissing—the urgency of the Od contact also releases a desire for this kind of touch.” Hitler did not consider this inappropriate, as long as it did not deteriorate into a sexual encounter, and there he drew a definite line: “It seems to me all the more abominable if the older man allows this cuddling on the part of the younger man to seduce him into lewd acts or even to go so far as to exploit him for that purpose.” The extraordinary point about this remark is that Hitler does not seem to view a clearly erotic embrace between two men to be reprehensible per se. It was simply a means through which to stimulate the flow of Odic waves.

http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/publications/occasional/2002-04/paper.pdf

Helen Reyes Wrote:

Keith Millea Wrote:Yes,how about some more on Gurdjieff.If I remember during the Russian civil war he left with his adepts,and traveled to somewhere in Persia.Was that Turkish land or Iran?I believe he was studying the sufi mysteries.:joyman:

Hmm, I didn't find any itineraries for Gurdjieff, but this is interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Bennett

Quote:Idries Shah

While the educational work was progressing, Bennett learned of Idries Shah, an exponent of Naqshbandi Sufism. When they met, Shah presented Bennett with a document supporting his claim to represent the 'Guardians of the Tradition'. Bennett and other followers of Gurdjieff's ideas were astonished to meet a man claiming to represent what Gurdjieff had called 'The Inner Circle of Humanity', something they had discussed for so long without hope of its concrete manifestation.

Helen Reyes Wrote:.

It's interesting the Milosz's cousin Czeslaw Milosz, the Nobel Prize Winner in 1980 for his 1953 work The Captive Mind, devotes a lot of that book to retelling a novel (Insatiability by Stanisław Ignacy Witkiewicz) about the Murti-Bing pill, a sort of instant gratification medication from the Orient, and connects it with the importation of Asian religion into Christian Europe at the expense of the ancien regime. Czeslaw Milosz connects this directly with Nazi flirtations with Buddhism, iirc. Nominally his book is about the effect of Marxist-Leninist doctrine on the populations of the Soviet satellites.

David Guyatt Wrote:Chris, in the event you haven't read it there is a very interesting book on Nazi buggery, or what we would today call homosexual paedophilia that was rampant throughout the Nazi Party and especially in its early enforcer outfit, the Brownshirts. Indeed, the chief of the Brownshirts, Ernest Roehm, was a very active players in these "manly" games.

The book is called "The Pink Swastika" by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams and is well worth reading imo.

Helen Reyes Wrote:I thought Roger Rabbit was horrible, incidentally, and never understood why it got so much praise. Unless of course you happened to work on it, in which case it was a fine film, perhaps overly ambitious, but not my cupa.

Helen Reyes Wrote:Thanks, Magda! My friends in Austria who do "Queer Studies" at an academic level are going to love that, if they don't know it already!

David, so this Omar Shah character had the power to mesmerize or do some kind of mind control on others? Does this relate to the money Mr. Williams said went missing? And how did he get onto the Nasruddin track, was that his own idea or was it suggested to him?

Sorry if this is too personal, but I think it completely relates to the topic.

Quote:Also, one of Puharich's friends from Netherlands wrote a biography to try to rehabilitate him, from what accusations I'm not sure, but there it is. Interesting enough, the biographer changes the name of one rich Puharich patroness whom I'm pretty sure Puharich names by name in Sacred Mushroom. She was one the Nine, which, according to my thesis, were the transplantation of the Mahatmas/Sarmoung/Kings of Agartha/Shakyas/the ancient Indian Nine into the American paradigm of the 1950s, as aliens in UFOs, ultimately for MK purposes.