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Robert groden sues dallas - Bernice Moore - 05-07-2010
To:
"Tree Frog" <treefrog@ix.netcom.com>
Now you may purchase La Duni cupcakes or cufflinks at the new 6th floor
store. Free Wi-Fi should allow out of town researchers to know what is
going on in Dallas.
Frog
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM BLACKWELL [mailto:decision@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:39 PM
To: YOU and a few others on my JFK LIST
Subject: Sixth Floor Museum's expansion is aimed at luring more Dallas
visitors
Sixth Floor Museum's expansion is aimed at luring more Dallas visitors
12:00 AM CDT on Thursday, July 1, 2010
By HOLLY HABER / Special Contributor to The Dallas Morning News
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/fea/shopping/stories/DN-sixthflo
orstore_0701gd.ART0.State.Edition1.29b1d9e.html
The Sixth Floor Museum opens a new store and cafe today that is intended
to attract more local residents to the site.
Crafts by local artists are featured in the expanded retail area,
including these earrings by Emily Adams.
The museum is the most popular historic spot in Dallas, yet many people
in the city have never even heard of it, much less visited. It examines
the presidency, assassination and legacy of John F. Kennedy at the place
where he was shot.
"I constantly meet people who don't know what it is," says Liza Denton,
who joined the museum in January as director of public relations and
advertising. Less than a third of the center's 325,000 annual visitors
are from the Dallas-Fort Worth area.
The Sixth Floor Museum's store features Kennedy-related paraphernalia as
well as iconic designs from that era.
"We want to shift from being a tourist destination to a local place that
people come to many times," Denton says.
Bright with natural light and a loftlike decor, the new Museum Store and
Cafe is at the corner of Elm and Houston streets, across from the
museum. Its cafe is operated by La Duni, which will serve its signature
coffee drinks, lemonades, cupcakes and other snacks.
The existing museum shop will remain open, specializing in printed
materials and souvenirs.
The new store carries a broader range of merchandise, from hand-marbled
silk scarves to child-size reproductions of Eames chairs. The Sixth
Floor link is that most of the merchandise relates to the 1960s era or
to presidential history, politics and Kennedy's legacy.
"The focus of it was to interpret the museum in the context of the '60s
and how that relates to today," explained Amy Gilchrist, retail manager.
"So many of our visitors now weren't around in 1963."
The '60s provides fertile ground for design motifs, and Gilchrist camped
it up with owl, "love" and "peace" iconography as well as Volkswagen
Beetles and other symbols of that era.
She also commissioned vinyl bags and other goods printed with Kennedy
quotations, such as "One person can make a difference, and everyone
should try."
You might wonder how $10 pleated scarves made from burqas by Afghan
women fit into all this, or $8 grass-bead necklaces that support women's
and children's health in Kenya. The link is the Peace Corps, which
Kennedy established in 1961 to encourage mutual understanding among
nations and a commitment to peace.
"So many fair-trade companies were founded by Peace Corps volunteers, so
it seems to be the way that movement has progressed," observes Gilchrist.
The museum also wanted to make a statement about Dallas today, so
Gilchrist brought in works by local artisans.
Sculptor Brad Oldham styled a $27 pewter cuff stamped with 12 Dallas
icons, from Pegasus to a handbag symbolizing Neiman Marcus. He also made
light fixtures cast from ceiling tiles from the 1901 building that
houses the museum, and a Christmas ornament inscribed with a line
Kennedy once wrote to a child promising Santa "will be making his rounds
this Christmas."
CAC Mosaic Designs turned out elaborate plaques with natural quartz
crystals, and Eye on the Sparrow twisted metal guitar strings from
Dallas bands into bangle bracelets. Dixie Piece Goods takes '60s fabrics
and weaves them into handbags.
Reproductions of Jacqueline Kennedy's jewelry have been consistent
sellers in the original shop and will also be sold in the new store.
"The three-strand pearl choker is timeless," Gilchrist notes.
In addition, books and videos chronicle the legendary first couple and
their influence.
"In our current store, souvenir items sell best, such as postcards,
mugs, pencils and rulers," Gilchrist says. "In the new store, we expect
a wider variety of Kennedy-inspired items to sell well, and hope the
unique, changing selection of artisanal goods will keep customers coming
back to see what's new."
The original store does about $1 million in annual sales, and the
expansion could bring in another $1 million, Gilchrist says. Those
proceeds plus ticket sales fund the museum, run by the nonprofit Dallas
County Historical Foundation.
Established in 1989, the Sixth Floor Museum at 411 Elm St. was
envisioned as temporary but proved too popular to close. Most exhibits
are displayed on the sixth floor where the sniper's nest was found at
windows overlooking Dealey Plaza.
Organizers hope the cafe, which will be open until 6 p.m. daily and
offer free Wi-Fi, will become a mainstay for locals. The 50th
anniversary of the shooting, in 2013, is expected to draw big crowds.
"The tourists keep coming, and people are living and working downtown
more than in the past," Denton says.
Holly Haber is a Dallas-based freelance writer.
The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
411 Elm St.
10 a.m. to 6 p.m. Tuesday to Sunday; noon to 6 p.m. Monday.
214-747-6660. jfk.org
Museum Store and Cafe
501 Elm St.
7 a.m. to 6 p.m. Monday to Friday; 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Saturday and Sunday.
214-747-6660. jfk.org
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Robert groden sues dallas - Bernice Moore - 05-07-2010
City Gives JFK Conspiracy Theorist Robert Groden 14-Day Reprieve, Which Means He'll Be Back at Dealey Plaza Perch Saturday Morning - Dallas News -
Sunday, July 4, 2010 6:11 PM
From:
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2010/07/city_gives_jfk_conspiracy_theo.php
or
http://tinyurl.com/2eno5ae
Frog
Robert groden sues dallas - Dawn Meredith - 06-07-2010
Keith Millea Wrote:I guess Frank Nelson isn't a Robert Groden fan.
From comments section:
Quote:Frank Nelson says:
Dallas is right to give Dealey Plaza back to the public and take it back from the vendors that race each other to shove perioicals with JFK's autopsy photos in visitors faces when they try to park on Houston street or follow visitors around the Plaza trying to sell drugs and pimp prostitutes. It's disgusting and disgraceful to JFK's memory.
The harrassment has gotten so bad in Dealey Plaza (especially at the spot where Mr. Zapruder filmed the tragedy) that I and my friends stopped visiting it in 2007. It leaves a horrible impression for foreign visitors to take back to their countries as well as out of state visitors too.
Groden has a website he can sell his material at and the vendors can do likewise.
I suspect Groden is trying to worm his business inside the 6th Floor museum to compete with Gary Mack. In Spanish such a person is known as a "gusano".
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 1 2010 @ 8:06PM
http://tinyurl.com/32vcn32
He's just joking; he knows we don't tolerate such bullshit.
Dawn,
absolutely not joking
Robert groden sues dallas - Jack White - 06-07-2010
Robert is absolutely not a nuisance to anyone. He just
stands by his table conversing with visitors. I have never
known him to approach a stranger. He lets everyone come
to him, and he answers their questions, chats and gives
autographs. He also has for sale books and videos, but
he does not hawk them. In fact, people may come up,
browse a book...and then buy it or not buy it.
There are a few obnoxious ones offering to give tours
or selling an overpriced souvenir newspaper.
Jack
Robert groden sues dallas - Magda Hassan - 06-07-2010
Jack White Wrote:There are a few obnoxious ones offering to give toursYes, but apparently the 6th Floor Museum has council approval for the tours and souvenirs.
or selling an overpriced souvenir newspaper.
Jack
Robert groden sues dallas - Frank Nelson - 09-07-2010
Someone will find fault with most anything posted on the Internet.
I’ve re-written this several times and I’m sure someone will still find fault with it but here goes:
The comments I made on the Dallas blog were not directed at Robert Groden; they were directed at ALL those that hang around the plaza targeting visitors that come to take photos and pay their respects to JFK. What the media in Dallas is calling “vendors” to me are (from personal experience with a lot of them): street hustlers and panhandlers.
It's obviously a "monkey see-monkey do" scenario in Dealey Plaza. Evidently, vendors/hustlers observe a researcher such as Mr. Groden marketing his research in the Plaza and they want to sell their stuff too (some of the "stuff" I've been offered by these creeps when I turn down the "Historic Journals" has been drugs, prostitutes, weapons, cell phones, DVD players, flat screen TV’s, deals on used cars, trucks, SUV’s, jewelry, computer laptops, DVD’s, etc.) You name it and someone is hustling it in Dealey Plaza.
This entire “circus market atmosphere” at the site where President Kennedy was ambushed and murdered makes me sick to my stomach.
I, like some folks, am wondering, "what's the big deal in Mr. Groden operating his shop from inside the museum?" The "gusano" remark I made came from comments I’ve been getting privately and what I read in postings on the Internet. Some people don’t trust Mr. Groden’s intentions. Those here who took my remarks on that Dallas blog to be an attack on Mr. Groden are wrong. What he does in Dealey Plaza is between him, city officials and the IRS.
The portion of the public that has rejected the 2 major federal investigations (WC & HSCA) made those rejections before the 6th Floor Museum materialized. Some people feel it is part of the continuing history of the JFK assassination and should be included in the museum's offerings but its exclusion is not going to change public opinion about the case because there is too much material available on the Internet and in libraries that reflect the public’s dissatisfaction with those past Federal investigations and reports IMO.
Again, I feel it's wrong for any "vendors" to invade the privacy rights of visitors to Dealey Plaza by creating and maintaining a carnival “market” atmosphere at the place where JFK was ambushed and killed and I support city efforts to restore dignity to the site. Why Mr. Groden was arrested instead of those assaulting visitors is a question that I assume will be answered when his lawsuit is presented in Court.
Recapping again: my comments on the blog were written from the perspective of visitors going to Dealey Plaza to quietly pay their respects to JFK and what they encounter after they park their cars and move about the site.
There are a lot of people watching this story with interest because if it does go to trial whatever is decided by a judge or jury may be mimicked at other famous sites in Texas.
I personally got tired of being targeted by those “vendor” creeps (I am not talking about Mr. Groden, people!) each time I visited the Plaza, took a ton of digital photos my last visit and just quit visiting Dealey Plaza entirely. Now when I want to visit the site I do so on my PC.
best to all,
Frank Nelson
Robert groden sues dallas - Dawn Meredith - 10-07-2010
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Keith Millea Wrote:I guess Frank Nelson isn't a Robert Groden fan.
From comments section:
Quote:Frank Nelson says:
Dallas is right to give Dealey Plaza back to the public and take it back from the vendors that race each other to shove perioicals with JFK's autopsy photos in visitors faces when they try to park on Houston street or follow visitors around the Plaza trying to sell drugs and pimp prostitutes. It's disgusting and disgraceful to JFK's memory.
The harrassment has gotten so bad in Dealey Plaza (especially at the spot where Mr. Zapruder filmed the tragedy) that I and my friends stopped visiting it in 2007. It leaves a horrible impression for foreign visitors to take back to their countries as well as out of state visitors too.
Groden has a website he can sell his material at and the vendors can do likewise.
I suspect Groden is trying to worm his business inside the 6th Floor museum to compete with Gary Mack. In Spanish such a person is known as a "gusano".
Posted On: Thursday, Jul. 1 2010 @ 8:06PM
http://tinyurl.com/32vcn32
He's just joking; he knows we don't tolerate such bullshit.
Dawn,
absolutely not joking
Frank: "You're not talking about Mr Groden"???? Then you sure have me confused. Go back and read your own words. And I can assure you Bob Groden is NOT "trying to worm his way" into anything connected to the 6th floor fantasy world. He was offered Mack's job at $200,000 a year and just said no.
"Two faces have I?" Good song ...
Dawn
Robert groden sues dallas - Keith Millea - 10-07-2010
This saga gets more interesting by the day.What I first heard was about venders trying to hustle JFK newspapers and cussing at the tourists.Now Frank takes the giant leap to:
Quote:(some of the "stuff" I've been offered by these creeps when I turn down the "Historic Journals" has been drugs, prostitutes, weapons, cell phones, DVD players, flat screen TV’s, deals on used cars, trucks, SUV’s, jewelry, computer laptops, DVD’s, etc.)
Frank,I believe that selling weapons on the street is a BIG FEDERAL CRIME!I do hope that you called the police to arrest these folks.Bet you didn't...........
Robert groden sues dallas - Peter Lemkin - 10-07-2010
Keith Millea Wrote:This saga gets more interesting by the day.What I first heard was about venders trying to hustle JFK newspapers and cussing at the tourists.Now Frank takes the giant leap to:
Quote:(some of the "stuff" I've been offered by these creeps when I turn down the "Historic Journals" has been drugs, prostitutes, weapons, cell phones, DVD players, flat screen TV’s, deals on used cars, trucks, SUV’s, jewelry, computer laptops, DVD’s, etc.)
Frank,I believe that selling weapons on the street is a BIG FEDERAL CRIME!I do hope that you called the police to arrest these folks.Bet you didn't...........
....and please let me know if any of the computer sales are at well-below market value!....sounds to me that this person is either grossly mis-informed, biased, or trying to stir up problems for RG and his ilk....or more than one of those...IMO, of course.....:ciao:
Robert groden sues dallas - Jack White - 10-07-2010
It is possible that agents provocateur inhabit the Plaza
doing reprehensible things so that Groden can be lumped in
with them as a nuisance.
Jack