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The lbj false sponsorship operation to continue - David Butler - 21-01-2011
I don't know if it's been mentioned on here yet but Joseph P Farrell's next book looks at LBJ and the assassination. It was fascinating discussion of Die Glocke on here that led me to his books and he seems to be held in more esteem on here than some of the others.
I'm fairly agnostic on the issue of LBJ being behind the assassination but I will be interested in seeing Farrell's take on it...
LBJ and the Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy: A Coalescence of Interests
By Joseph P. Farrell
I think it's out around February
The lbj false sponsorship operation to continue - Charles Drago - 21-01-2011
I admire much of what Farrell has produced.
He's earned the benefit of the doubt. But if he jumps into the LBJ False Sponsor trap, his past work must not be allowed to sway our harsh judgements.
The lbj false sponsorship operation to continue - Charles Drago - 21-01-2011
Advance promo blurb for Farrell's book, LBJ and the Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy: A Coalescence of Interests :
Best-selling, Oxford-educated investigative author Joseph P. Farrell takes on the Kennedy assassination and the involvement of Lyndon Baines Johnson and the Texas "machine" that he controlled. Farrell says that a coalescence of interests in the military industrial complex, the CIA, and Lyndon Baines Johnson's powerful and corrupt political machine in Texas led to the event culminating in the assassination. Without the help of the Dallas police chief and others of the Texas underworld, including Jack Ruby, the Kennedy assassination could not have taken place. Farrell analyzes the data as only he can, and comes to some astonishing conclusions. Topics include: Oswald, the FBI, and the CIA: Hoover's Concern of a Second Oswald; Oswald and the Anti-Castro Cubans; The Mafia; Hoover, Johnson, and the Mob; The FBI, the Secret Service, Hoover, and Johnson; The CIA and "Murder Incorporated"; Ruby's Bizarre Behavior; The French Connection and Permindex; Big Oil; The Military; Disturbing Datasets, Doppelgängers, Duplicates and Discrepancies; Two Caskets, Two (or was that Three?) Ambulances, One Body: The Case of David S. Lifton; Two (or is that Three?) Faces of Oswald; Too Many (or Was That Too Few?) Bullets; Too Many Films, with Too Many, or Too Few, Frames; The Dead Witnesses: Jack Zangretti, Maurice Brooks Gatlin, John Garret "Gary" Underhill, Guy F. Bannister, Jr., Mary Pinchot Meyer, Rose Cheramie, Dorothy Mae Killgallen, Congressman Hale Boggs; The Alchemy of the Assassination: Ritual Magic and Murder, Masonic Symbolism, and the Darkest Players in the Death of JFK; LBJ and the Planning of the Texas Trip; LBJ: A Study in Character, Connections, and Cabals; LBJ and the Aftermath: Accessory After the Fact; The Requirements of Coups D'État; more.
Like so much that is written about this case, Farrell's contribution will stand as a litmus test for its author's powers of perception and his ability to penetrate the deepest of political mysteries.
The lbj false sponsorship operation to continue - Seamus Coogan - 21-01-2011
Charles Drago Wrote:Advance promo blurb for Farrell's book, LBJ and the Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy: A Coalescence of Interests :
Best-selling, Oxford-educated investigative author Joseph P. Farrell takes on the Kennedy assassination and the involvement of Lyndon Baines Johnson and the Texas "machine" that he controlled. Farrell says that a coalescence of interests in the military industrial complex, the CIA, and Lyndon Baines Johnson's powerful and corrupt political machine in Texas led to the event culminating in the assassination. Without the help of the Dallas police chief and others of the Texas underworld, including Jack Ruby, the Kennedy assassination could not have taken place. Farrell analyzes the data as only he can, and comes to some astonishing conclusions. Topics include: Oswald, the FBI, and the CIA: Hoover's Concern of a Second Oswald; Oswald and the Anti-Castro Cubans; The Mafia; Hoover, Johnson, and the Mob; The FBI, the Secret Service, Hoover, and Johnson; The CIA and "Murder Incorporated"; Ruby's Bizarre Behavior; The French Connection and Permindex; Big Oil; The Military; Disturbing Datasets, Doppelgängers, Duplicates and Discrepancies; Two Caskets, Two (or was that Three?) Ambulances, One Body: The Case of David S. Lifton; Two (or is that Three?) Faces of Oswald; Too Many (or Was That Too Few?) Bullets; Too Many Films, with Too Many, or Too Few, Frames; The Dead Witnesses: Jack Zangretti, Maurice Brooks Gatlin, John Garret "Gary" Underhill, Guy F. Bannister, Jr., Mary Pinchot Meyer, Rose Cheramie, Dorothy Mae Killgallen, Congressman Hale Boggs; The Alchemy of the Assassination: Ritual Magic and Murder, Masonic Symbolism, and the Darkest Players in the Death of JFK; LBJ and the Planning of the Texas Trip; LBJ: A Study in Character, Connections, and Cabals; LBJ and the Aftermath: Accessory After the Fact; The Requirements of Coups D'État; more.
Like so much that is written about this case, Farrell's contribution will stand as a litmus test for its author's powers of perception and his ability to penetrate the deepest of political mysteries.
Sheesh CD this sounds like another run through of Phil Nelsons book! Your right they really are trying to cap of the 50th with the Johnson did it all scenario.
The lbj false sponsorship operation to continue - Jack White - 21-01-2011
Charles Drago Wrote:Jack,
I couldn't agree with you less.
Of such differences are allies made!
The precarious Cold War nuclear balancing act -- accent on "act" -- could not be risked by permitting a relatively low level assassination conspiracy against a major head of state to proceed.
The true Sponsors of JFK's murder, I submit, were those international powers who were, in George Michael Evica's phrase, "above Cold War differences."
The failure to retaliate against False Sponsor Fidel speaks to the control required to keep the conspiracy's consequences in check.
The breadth and depth of the conspiracy -- its design -- point to a controlling human initiator -- one or more, I'd concede.
What happened in Dallas was not the equivalent of "Hey, I've got some boards, you've got some curtains, let's put on a play."
It was a major production, with backers, a director (or two), a playwrite, and a cast.
Charles
Then we must disagree. The plot essentially was DOMESTIC, but
had international aspects because the MAJOR SPONSORS, as you
call them, had INTERNATIONALIST TIES in banking, thinking,
militarism, manufacturing, natural resources...one worldism.
If you name THE NEW WORLD ORDER as your principal sponsor,
we might be getting somewhere. But the conspirators were
domestic enemies of JFK. If you concentrate on founding of the
UN and those who advocated it, then you are on the right track.
GLOBALISM and a NEW WORLD ORDER were the principal tenets
of the sponsors and conspirators.
Jack
The lbj false sponsorship operation to continue - Jack White - 21-01-2011
Greg Burnham Wrote:Jack,
I couldn't agree with you more! Excellent and concise is your summary.
Thanks, Monk. You and Peter and Dawn get it. Others want
some sort of organized chain of command.
Jack
The lbj false sponsorship operation to continue - Peter Lemkin - 21-01-2011
I will agree with Charles and others that LBJ seems to have been chosen to be the guy to take the whole 'rap' on the 50th...the way it is looking - and that must be resisted. He was one [albeit important] cog in a machine built to kill and disguise the killers [even the nature and political/financial ilk of the killers] of JFK. We all have different takes due to many different reasons. My own take is that LBJs main role[s] were post assassination [cover-up] and only a tad before. He may have pointed out Texans and others who could help those more 'active' in setting up the events, but I think he [like Hoover and others] just waited for their cues...keeping their thumbs on the script written by others. As someone on the EF used to say 'your mileage may differ'.
The lbj false sponsorship operation to continue - Phil Dragoo - 21-01-2011
A couple of years ago I paid the five bucks and downloaded and printed and placed in a ring binder Bond of Secrecy, which I continue to describe as the deathbed deflection of a company man.
I wrote Saint John five pages (including a detailed list of typographical corrections) and spoke of his father's motivation.
Mark Lane in Plausible Denial sufficiently shattered Hunt's alibi for November 22, 1963; and of course nephew Shawn says uncle David Atlee Phillips admitted to brother William that he, too, was in Dallas that day.
Angleton's manipulation of the Oswald file, Phillip's work on the Mexico City aspect, the survival instinct of other agency power players from Dulles to Helms to Harvey et al make it a cinch they were deeply involved in the design.
As was the ubiquitous Bundy, canceller of the key raid at the outset, author of draft NSAM 273 as the red carpet tide washed in over the Oval Office floor.
Johnson was grunting and sweating throughout, just not designing or directing the thing, more like in the pit with raised fist.
Hoover, as well, was pouting and swinging his anvil-laden purse at his agents to go along.
There was a war to be run for all it was worth, from the drugs of the Golden Triangle to the billion-dollar checks to Brown & Root, to all the whirlybirds of Bellmoney, power; rinse, repeat.
Kennedy, who thoughtnot that he was a godthat there was a God and on earth His work must truly be our own, was going to spoil it all by back-channeling with Nikita and Fidel.
Yes, a concert of interests; but the writer of the concerto and the director was not Landslide, more likely someone subtle including an Angleton orchid-grower and a blueblood world manager (see also McCloy).
Were outfit people used. Of course. And DPD. And military intelligence. Probably not French gunmen, no; probably not aliens in UFOs or Mossad agents rapelling from cloud-shaped dirigibles.
It has been clear for fifty years it was not the agent of three intelligence agencies, the patriotic Marine who enlisted in the romantic spirit of Herb Philbrick to fight the Communist menace, only to be made the patsy of the consortium of powerful men, that pyramid of power variously described but undeniably controlling the events and players, false-flagging and sheep-dipping to its black heart's content.
No, it wasn't Lee.
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The lbj false sponsorship operation to continue - Charles Drago - 21-01-2011
Jack White Wrote:Then we must disagree. The plot essentially was DOMESTIC, but had international aspects because the MAJOR SPONSORS, as you
call them, had INTERNATIONALIST TIES in banking, thinking, militarism,
manufacturing, natural resources...one worldism.
If you name THE NEW WORLD ORDER as your principal sponsor,
we might be getting somewhere. But the conspirators were
domestic enemies of JFK. If you concentrate on founding of the
UN and those who advocated it, then you are on the right track.
GLOBALISM and a NEW WORLD ORDER were the principal tenets
of the sponsors and conspirators.
Jack
Good Morning,
Agreed on the agree-to-disagree conclusion. Ain't I agreeable?
When George Michael wrote of the "treasonous cabal whose masters were above Cold War differences," he indeed was referencing (in "masters") those for whom nationalism and conflicting political (and for that matter religious) ideologies were merely means to keep the great unwashed at each others' throats. They were -- and are -- a de facto "world government" unto themselves.
At some point, as global communications and travel developed, these forces may have coalesced in an at least semi-formal way. But I do not see them as covertly promoting what we've come to refer to as a "Globalist" or "One World" system -- movements which to me are publicly disseminated cartoons.
The forces of which I speak depend upon conflict between and among nations and races and political and religious ideologies for their continuing control over vastly superior numbers.
Overt large scale dictatorial systems fail. Covert control matrixes masked by illusions of democracy prosper.
As for "want[ing] an organized chain of command" -- It is inconceivable to me that a conspiracy of the complexity and potential for grave failure of the JFK plot could have existed without the tight organizational control that is effected by command structures.
The choreography of the conspiracy was complex, challenging for its choreographer(s) and dancers. It was run with ... wait for it ... military precision and discipline.
Was it flawless throughout its levels of execution? Hardly. But close enough for jazz, baby.
Again, you must consider the inherent risks to the Sponsors posed by certain unavoidable aspects of their plan. The Cold War was a sophistic construct -- indulge me here for a moment -- designed as a global control mechanism in which tensions between overtly competing superpower-led ideologies had to be kept just below the boiling point.
The overwhelmingly vast majority of the Facilitators of the Cold War construct bought into it hook, line, and sinker. An attack on the leader of one faction -- especially an attack that, for the purposes of the conspiracy behind it, would be attributed to False Sponsors in the "enemy" camps -- created the very real risk of prompting a knee-jerk response against the False Sponsors that could escalate out of control.
Hence the needs for conspirator control of military and civilian communications and the isolation from command structures of non-participating civilian and military leadership during the immediate post-attack period.
The Cubans and their allegedly monolithic Soviet masters had been fingered as (False) Sponsors. The impulse for retaliation could not be allowed to manifest.
Control of these plot elements was critical to the physical survival of the Sponsors -- and the rest of us -- and the continuation of the Cold War construct.
How else could this be accomplished absent a clearly defined and ruthlessly applied "chain of command"?
How else could the rabidly anti-Communist Facilitators -- from Curtis LeMay to Little Havana's gusanos -- be held off other than by promises of greater glory and rewards and threats of liquidation if they did not play along?
Who could have made such promises and threats with authority?
LBJ?
Charles
The lbj false sponsorship operation to continue - Dawn Meredith - 21-01-2011
Jack White Wrote:Greg Burnham Wrote:Jack,
I couldn't agree with you more! Excellent and concise is your summary.
Thanks, Monk. You and Peter and Dawn get it. Others want
some sort of organized chain of command.
Jack
Jack I agree with a lot of what you say but for something of this magnitude there had to be a organized chain of command. Just no records. No money to follow.
But I do believe that it started in the wind so to speak, much the way it is portrayed in Executive Action.
Dawn