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Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved.. - Seamus Coogan - 03-05-2012
Albert Doyle Wrote:To me it appears like Ms Burleigh is avoiding the proven precedent of intel covert murder. In my mind that makes her a CIA writer.
She may well be. The Meyer stuff is bunk! What's great about Jim's book the Assassinations Al is the great part where Jim takes the piss out of the Angleton/Bradley party in Meyers appartment. It's one of Jim's funnier pieces. The whole scene is just soooooo fullll of shite!!!! If Burleigh wanted to prove her spurs she could have mentioned of course how the Meyer/JFK shite was effectively an Angleton construction. Nonetheless, she is correct mate. These wankers can get stuff...after they've pumped peoples asses full of disinfo. Hahahahahaha, Al you don't draw Jims beam by having a difference of opinion on a topic nor would he consider you in the Hankey league lol.
However it is worth baring in mind disinformation campaigns. To what purpose does promoting Meyers story serve. If Janney had any balls he'd debate Jim. Apparently Jim's offered but there's been no reply. A common occurance at CTKA lol.
Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved.. - Albert Doyle - 26-05-2012
I think JimD makes a mistake in not realizing CIA was hypnotizing people like Sirhan and Chapman into being Manchurian Candidate assassins at the time. So why couldn't Crump be some version of the same? Picking a criminal sociopath like Crump to be the patsy would only work in their favor. Oswald and Chapman, and even Sirhan, were loser profiled to make them easily scapegoat-able. Crump would be perfect. I think Jim is making a mistake here and not seeing a classic kill team, including Mitchell. The shots gave it away. Meyer was killed by surgical kill shots to the back of the head and heart. This is a methodology that fits CIA needing a critical witness dead. It is not the methodology of a cheap rape/robbery jogging path crook.
Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved.. - Peter Lemkin - 26-05-2012
This is one I did a good amount of reading and research on some years back and don't have my notes at hand; but Crump had all the hallmarks of a patsy - not even a mind-control shooter. There was another man much more likely to be the shooter...a very fit male jogger, if I remember - likely others waiting in the bushes. A classic wet job, of which Crump had no means and likely no motive. I had posted all my conclusions, in detail, on the EF - but they were all removed - along with every post I ever made there......but I do remember the conclusion and expect to revisit it all with the new book[s].
Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved.. - Seamus Coogan - 27-05-2012
Albert Doyle Wrote:I think JimD makes a mistake in not realizing CIA was hypnotizing people like Sirhan and Chapman into being Manchurian Candidate assassins at the time. So why couldn't Crump be some version of the same? Picking a criminal sociopath like Crump to be the patsy would only work in their favor. Oswald and Chapman, and even Sirhan, were loser profiled to make them easily scapegoat-able. Crump would be perfect. I think Jim is making a mistake here and not seeing a classic kill team, including Mitchell. The shots gave it away. Meyer was killed by surgical kill shots to the back of the head and heart. This is a methodology that fits CIA needing a critical witness dead. It is not the methodology of a cheap rape/robbery jogging path crook.
Of course Jim Di knows that stuff lol. But when you get Jim Di and Lisa Pease saying something is a crock of shite like Janney is. I'm sorry to say your going into chronic over kill mate! Crump could just have been a psychopath and Meyer could have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes as Magda says "A cigar is just a cigar".
Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved.. - Charles Drago - 27-05-2012
Seamus Coogan Wrote:Of course Jim Di knows that stuff lol. But when you get Jim Di and Lisa Pease saying something is a crock of shite like Janney is. I'm sorry to say your going into chronic over kill mate! Crump could just have been a psychopath and Meyer could have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes as Magda says "A cigar is just a cigar".
Sorry, Seamus, but Jim and Lisa would be the last two people to endorse the logical fallacy of argument from authority.
And to continue your Deep Politics 101 and Logic 101 education: Even if they or anyone else could disprove convincingly Janney's hypothesis, it would tell us nothing about the nature of Mary Pinchot Meyer's demise other than it likely did not happen the way Janney describes.
The simplest explanation of Meyer's death that includes an appreciation of context: the murder was a deep political act.
Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved.. - Seamus Coogan - 27-05-2012
Charles Drago Wrote:Seamus Coogan Wrote:Of course Jim Di knows that stuff lol. But when you get Jim Di and Lisa Pease saying something is a crock of shite like Janney is. I'm sorry to say your going into chronic over kill mate! Crump could just have been a psychopath and Meyer could have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes as Magda says "A cigar is just a cigar".
Sorry, Seamus, but Jim and Lisa would be the last two people to endorse the logical fallacy of argument from authority.
And to continue your Deep Politics 101 and Logic 101 education: Even if they or anyone else could disprove convincingly Janney's hypothesis, it would tell us nothing about the nature of Mary Pinchot Meyer's demise other than it likely did not happen the way Janney describes.
The simplest explanation of Meyer's death that includes an appreciation of context: the murder was a deep political act.
Their points are good enough for me. Sorry your's and others take on it are not. That's my opinion. Harden up and accept it.
I like you CD, I like you a lot. but I'm getting sick and tired of this "you don't get Deep Politics wankery" or you giving me the a working class son of a trade unionists and political activists not to mention anti U.S spy base protestors and is mates with people like Nicky Hager and Mike Frost (guys who ousted the Echelon system) Have you heard of that Charles? Thats pretty deeply political don't you think? I have deep political insight as much as any body else on this forum. I just apply caution. Forgive me for being cautious in a mine field. Just because you buy this Janney tripe doesn't make me think your a moron does it?
Forgive my being caustic. But I've had a shitty day and I despair of a wildly intelligent and marvelous fellow being a condescending arrogant poo.
Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved.. - Peter Lemkin - 27-05-2012
If you believe Crump killed Meyer, I have some old, slightly 'used' WTC towers for sale, cheap! Meyers had information that was lethal to the Cabal who killed JFK. She was 'hit'. Crump was the patsy. Open your eyes.
Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved.. - Jan Klimkowski - 27-05-2012
So we have Nina Burleigh writing cop-out shit like:
Quote:Superspook Angleton and Ben Bradlee ran into each other while breaking into Mary's house to search for the diary that night or the following day, but no one ever told a straight story about exactly when they learned she was murdered, why they were at her house, and precisely when they arrived. Janney finds all this further proof of conspiracy. The fact is, it's astonishing these people could remember who they had ordered assassinated, given the amount of alcohol they consumed at lunch.
Oh, so the assertion that spooks drink like fishes renders them incapable of ordering terminations with extreme prejudice, or remembering their hits. Thanks Nina. For nonsense.
The fact that Seymour Hersh was so keen on getting Damore's research files is obviously important. If Hersh had succeeded, then his "interpretation" of the material would doubtless have made Bob the Boner's Kennedy Shagfest fantasies even more colourful.
What's the best evidence on the nature of the fatal wounds suffered by Mary Pinchot Meyer?
Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved.. - Charles Drago - 27-05-2012
Seamus Coogan Wrote:Charles Drago Wrote:Seamus Coogan Wrote:Of course Jim Di knows that stuff lol. But when you get Jim Di and Lisa Pease saying something is a crock of shite like Janney is. I'm sorry to say your going into chronic over kill mate! Crump could just have been a psychopath and Meyer could have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes as Magda says "A cigar is just a cigar".
Sorry, Seamus, but Jim and Lisa would be the last two people to endorse the logical fallacy of argument from authority.
And to continue your Deep Politics 101 and Logic 101 education: Even if they or anyone else could disprove convincingly Janney's hypothesis, it would tell us nothing about the nature of Mary Pinchot Meyer's demise other than it likely did not happen the way Janney describes.
The simplest explanation of Meyer's death that includes an appreciation of context: the murder was a deep political act.
Their points are good enough for me. Sorry your's and others take on it are not. That's my opinion. Harden up and accept it.
I like you CD, I like you a lot. but I'm getting sick and tired of this "you don't get Deep Politics wankery" or you giving me the a working class son of a trade unionists and political activists not to mention anti U.S spy base protestors and is mates with people like Nicky Hager and Mike Frost (guys who ousted the Echelon system) Have you heard of that Charles? Thats pretty deeply political don't you think? I have deep political insight as much as any body else on this forum. I just apply caution. Forgive me for being cautious in a mine field. Just because you buy this Janney tripe doesn't make me think your a moron does it?
Forgive my being caustic. But I've had a shitty day and I despair of a wildly intelligent and marvelous fellow being a condescending arrogant poo.
Yawn.
Mary Pinchot Meyer Case said to be solved.. - Albert Doyle - 27-05-2012
I'd have to see paraffin test results for Crump before believing he did it. Did they even bother taking one or did it come up negative so they buried it? The Mitchell/Crump assassin/patsy set-up is mirrored in RFK and maybe Lennon. And definitely JFK.
The thing has spook job written all over it. Once you couldn't find either Mitchell or the gun you have to assume black op. Did anyone do an analysis of Crump's movements to see if it was feasible he could completely lose the gun?