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Lucien Sarti and Jacques Mesrine - Phil Dragoo - 25-01-2012
. . .standing outside Carl's gym in a white tee shirt. Great suspense, chasing, the crashing, and crunching, and shooting. . .
On page 122 of the famous Saint John Hunt's famous Bond of Secrecy are two photos of photos of Lucien Sarti captioned:
"The shooter from the grassy knoll brought in by Bill Harvey and Cord Myer from the French underworlds; died in a shootout with Mexican police."
The page opposite, 123, is in the shaky hand of the famous E. Howard Hunt, author of 42 novels plus Give Us This Day, plus losing testimony featured in Plausible Denial. The boxes contain LBJ and Cord Myer and David Morales and Bill Harvey and the men in the boxes rest upon French Gunman Grassy Knoll.
So there it is. QED the French Connection. And, V, as you note, it bears the Professor's imprint.
Others suggest a Mossad ex Machina explanation.
When did CIA ever identify its gunmen.
Day of the Jackal by Forsyth and the fine film present an exciting protagonist but weren't there multiple gunmen in Dealey Plaza.
Prouty says they were stateless. Perhaps. Sanitized weapons and airframes are part of tradecraft.
Perhaps a French gunman was just another float in the parade.
Lucien Sarti and Jacques Mesrine - Charles Drago - 25-01-2012
Gerry Hemming, soto voce over green ham and eggs in a Dallas hotel restaurant, telling it like it oz: the west end TSBD shooter was a former Wehrmacht sniper, one of the "Rat Line boys," who, when asked some years before by GPH if he were afraid that a JFK researcher would identify him, merrily responded (heavy Otto Preminger accent), "Just be sure he spells my fucking name right!"
Herr Boom-Boom's target, at whom he fired a weapon set on full automatic, Gerry whispers to me, was John Connally. Why? "He didn't bid high enough."
It was then a simple matter of repelling down s TSBD elevator shaft and ... POOF! ... he and his team were, like, gone, man.
Of course, GPH was spinning a ripping yarn. We all know that the world-class snipers Johnny Roselli, Charles Nicoletti, James Files, Chauncey Holt, Jerome Howard, Bucky Katt, and Dennis Mitchell pulled the triggers in Dealey Plaza. Perry White controlled the media cover-up. Boris Badenov coordinated the rogue Russian accessories. And the Caribbean contingent was led by Bonaparte Ignace Gallia.
And E. Howard Hunt, on his deathbed, told us the trute.
Lucien Sarti and Jacques Mesrine - Albert Doyle - 25-01-2012
Whoever they were they were protected by Hunt man Bernard Barker.
Lucien Sarti and Jacques Mesrine - Vasilios Vazakas - 30-01-2012
Does anyone believe that Paul Heliwell could have been involved in financing the assassination?
Lucien Sarti and Jacques Mesrine - Albert Doyle - 30-01-2012
Helliwell's connection to those Bahamian Banks and Piper's French Connection practically jumps-out and bites you in the neck. In its counter-terrorism campaigns the US Government was saying "follow the money". Well read below and see where that leads when you do that with them:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhelliwell.htm
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Lucien Sarti and Jacques Mesrine - Thomas Graves - 16-04-2012
Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:We all know about the CIA ducument saying that Jean Souetre was in Fort Worth on the morning of Nov.22 1963 and in Dallas the afternoon of the same day.
There is a dispute a to wether the man in question was Jean Souetre or Michel Victor Mertz.
1. Jean Souetre
Member of the French OAS, assassination attempts against DeGaulle. The OAS hated JFK for supporting the Algeria independence.
Souetre was in conduct with Banister and E.H.Hunt, perhaps for operations against Fidel Castro, not necessarily to murder JFK, but it could be possible tha he was.
Eugene Dinkin a US army code breaker (the man who knew too much) discovered a messsage that JFK was to be assassinated in November.
Dinkin was staged in Metz France and one of his duties was to decipher cable trafficking originating with the OAS.
Souetre gave an interview later and claimed that he was in Spain and not in Dallas and that he could prove it.
He said that a man named Michel Victor Mertz, a narcotics smuggler and SDECE agent was impersonating him in order
to leave a trail that could lead not back to Mertz but to his enemy Souetre. Of course it could have been the other way round and it was Souetre
who was impersonating Mertz.
2. Michel Victor Mertz was an agent of SDECE. James Jesus Angleton was in contact with SDECE and especially a man
named Phillipe de Vosjoli that many believe that he was spying against his country for Angeton. Now most of us accept that Angleton
was one of the main facilitators of the plot specially in framing Oswald. If he was also the facilitator that organized the shooters he
might have asked Vosjoli's help to recruit shooters from the French underworld connected to either the OAS or the SDECE.
3. A third alternative is that neither Mertz or Souetre were involved in the assassination and this dual confussion of two men using its other's
name was deliberately designed to confuse researchers and again create a cognitive dissonance were everything is possible but nothing is certain.
Similar to two Z films, two autopsies two everything.
It is more likely that the shooters came from the ranks of CIA special ops soldiers staged in Laos or Vietnam with no loose ends and connections that can be
traced back to their origins, like French terrorists, heroin smugglers or French agents could be traced.
Was Dinkin a "code breaker" or a "crypto operator"? Isn't a crypto operator someone who just looks after the computers and changes the codes on a regular basis? I've read in several places that Dinkin was a "crypto operator"... Just curious.
--Tommy
Lucien Sarti and Jacques Mesrine - Seamus Coogan - 18-04-2012
Great summary's on this thread by all involved. Thanks Vas for that. I have not yet read that damn book.
But I agree with this whole using the Cosicans as a front for the assassination.
I also totally pissed myself with CD's last call. Great summation of a Fetzerian conspiracy.
I really gave up trying to name the gunmen a very long time ago. Why? Well in a compartmentalised intelligence operation the lads who pulled the triggers, probably know the least about the masterminds of the plot.
All I am pretty damn sure of is that these dudes and their spotters were likely terminated at some point.
My suspicions about the assassins eventually meeting their demise at the hands of other assassins, found some vindication in Stones JFK the directors cut. Where in an extended conversation with X, he explains to Garrison their fate. In this shot we see the Gnoll gunman in his house (presumably) getting whacked. Prouty of course was X and he discussed with Len if I recall the disposability of mechanics. Carlos Hathcock if I recall also said much the same thing to Craig Roberts.
However you lot may differ on this point. Be interesting to get your feedback. If I recall this is one of the few arguments Al and I have ever had lol.
Lucien Sarti and Jacques Mesrine - Vasilios Vazakas - 19-04-2012
Hi Seamus
It is impossible to know who the shooters were and what their fate. Maybe they were exterminated some time later.
Unfortunately will never find out their identities or their fate.
Sometimes i wonder if i am wrong suggesting that they were black ops operatives staged in Vietnam/Laos and not
Anti-Castro Cubans, Mafia/Corsicans or people like the Novo brothers, Luis Posada, Frank Sturgis and Felix Rodrigez.but until
further evidence are put forward, i'll stick to my opinion.
Lucien Sarti and Jacques Mesrine - Thomas Graves - 20-04-2012
Thomas Graves Wrote:bumpVasilios Vazakas Wrote:We all know about the CIA ducument saying that Jean Souetre was in Fort Worth on the morning of Nov.22 1963 and in Dallas the afternoon of the same day.
There is a dispute a to wether the man in question was Jean Souetre or Michel Victor Mertz.
1. Jean Souetre
Member of the French OAS, assassination attempts against DeGaulle. The OAS hated JFK for supporting the Algeria independence.
Souetre was in conduct with Banister and E.H.Hunt, perhaps for operations against Fidel Castro, not necessarily to murder JFK, but it could be possible tha he was.
Eugene Dinkin a US army code breaker (the man who knew too much) discovered a messsage that JFK was to be assassinated in November.
Dinkin was staged in Metz France and one of his duties was to decipher cable trafficking originating with the OAS.
Souetre gave an interview later and claimed that he was in Spain and not in Dallas and that he could prove it.
He said that a man named Michel Victor Mertz, a narcotics smuggler and SDECE agent was impersonating him in order
to leave a trail that could lead not back to Mertz but to his enemy Souetre. Of course it could have been the other way round and it was Souetre
who was impersonating Mertz.
2. Michel Victor Mertz was an agent of SDECE. James Jesus Angleton was in contact with SDECE and especially a man
named Phillipe de Vosjoli that many believe that he was spying against his country for Angeton. Now most of us accept that Angleton
was one of the main facilitators of the plot specially in framing Oswald. If he was also the facilitator that organized the shooters he
might have asked Vosjoli's help to recruit shooters from the French underworld connected to either the OAS or the SDECE.
3. A third alternative is that neither Mertz or Souetre were involved in the assassination and this dual confussion of two men using its other's
name was deliberately designed to confuse researchers and again create a cognitive dissonance were everything is possible but nothing is certain.
Similar to two Z films, two autopsies two everything.
It is more likely that the shooters came from the ranks of CIA special ops soldiers staged in Laos or Vietnam with no loose ends and connections that can be
traced back to their origins, like French terrorists, heroin smugglers or French agents could be traced.
Was Dinkin a "code breaker" or a "crypto operator"? Isn't a crypto operator someone who just looks after the computers and changes the codes on a regular basis? I've read in several places that Dinkin was a "crypto operator"... Just curious.
--Tommy
Lucien Sarti and Jacques Mesrine - Seamus Coogan - 20-04-2012
Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Hi Seamus
It is impossible to know who the shooters were and what their fate. Maybe they were exterminated some time later.
Unfortunately will never find out their identities or their fate.
Sometimes i wonder if i am wrong suggesting that they were black ops operatives staged in Vietnam/Laos and not
Anti-Castro Cubans, Mafia/Corsicans or people like the Novo brothers, Luis Posada, Frank Sturgis and Felix Rodrigez.but until
further evidence are put forward, i'll stick to my opinion.
I agree it could have been any number of thugs Vas. Looking forward to yours and Phil D's debuts on CTKA buddy. It'll be a rip snorter!