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DiEugenio exposes Caro - Jim DiEugenio - 31-07-2012
Nathaniel, can you give us a page reference for that?
I must have missed it.
BTW, Nathaniel did you post the review at Amazon yet with a link?
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Albert Doyle - 01-08-2012
The 5-star reviewers are staying away from Jim's review. They are trying to ignore it.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Nathaniel Heidenheimer - 01-08-2012
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Nathaniel, can you give us a page reference for that?--------
I must have missed it.
BTW, Nathaniel did you post the review at Amazon yet with a link?
Jim see bottom of page 378 top of page 379... American Tragedy. He is talking about the Joint chiefs under LBJ as if they had reverted to the nuclear option combined with some advisors. "The Joint Chiefs seemed to assume that these policies remained in force."
Also see Admiral Felt's resistance to MacNamaras desire to create a unified command that included the CIA and reported directly to the JFS . Felt wanted it to go through CINCPAC which he seemed to think implied the preservation of SEATO Plan 5. pp. 125-30.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Jim DiEugenio - 01-08-2012
Thanks Nathaniel.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Dawn Meredith - 02-08-2012
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:BTW, I am pretty sure Caro has a Facebok page.
If we can let us mass post it there so he cannot ignore it.
Maybe if we badger him enough, he will have to acknowledge what he did.
Can't post it on his page unless you are his friend but you can send it as a message via fb messages. I am sure he has seen it however...
Dawn
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Jim DiEugenio - 02-08-2012
Well, let us keep sending it to him until he acknowledges it.
Hopefully before the trade paper version of his crappy book comes out.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Jim DiEugenio - 03-08-2012
​I posted a mini review at Amazon.
Caro gets a 'D', August 2, 2012
By Jim DiEugenio
[B]This review is from: The Passage of Power: The Years of Lyndon Johnson (Hardcover)[/B]
Robert Caro's 4th installment on this series was a real disappointment. Prior to this one, he was essentially on his own since no one had ever spent that much time or length on LBJ. But now he is in an era where there is much other work to compare his against; that is books on the other major characters of that time period like King, Robert Kennedy, and John Kennedy. In putting together the whole kaleidoscope of that exciting era, Caro does not do well.
FIrst of all, he never even begins to explain why the early sixties was marked by so much hope and enthusiasm and excitement. If you don't do that, then you are not telling the whole story of what people like KIng and Kennedy meant to America. To use just one example, Caro does not even mention, let alone describe, the March on Washington or King's great "I Have a Dream" speech in August 1963. How can anyone describe the time period, or JFK's presidency, or the passage of a civil rights bill without doing that? And Caro says he wants to describe all those things. You cannot begin to describe the pressure brought to bear on congressman and senators from northern states without describing that speech. For after that, there was a coordinating lobbying campaign by every ciivl rights group and every liberal political group, like the ACLU, to pressure those politicians to break a southern filibuster. Further, JFK was the first white politician to back King's demonstration, which he did at a press conference in July. He then called in his brother, the AG, and told him it had to come off perfectly, or their enemies would use it to destroy them. It did come off perfectly and was probably the high point of Democratic Party liberalism of the 50-60's. How and why Caro left it out, I will never understand.
Actually I do understand. Once you read the book, and check the sources Caro uses, you can see what he is up to. He wants to diminish those three men (he never even mentions Malcolm X) in order to make believe that only LBJ could have passed that bill. Not true. Kennedy had done the hard work in the House already. He got it through the Judiciary Committee. In November, Howard Smith of VIrginia was holding it up in Rules. What you needed was a discharge petition to get it out. Which was not that hard since the Democrats had a big majority and Birmingham and KIng's speech had fired them up. (Caro spends six lines on Birmingham.) So once the discharge petition was signed, the bill smashed through the House overwhelmingly. In the Senate, Kennedy understood a filibuster had to be broken. And he understood the key was Senate MInority leader Dirksen. Well, the filibuster was tried. But eventually Dirksen helped break it. The bill passed 71-29. I won't even discuss the tax cut bill. Since Caro does the same thing there: cuts out all the work JFK did and makes believe only LBJ could have passed it.
Caro is even worse on Vietnam. Today, with all the declassified documents we have, it is all but indisputable that Kennedy had planned on getting out since late 1961 when he sent John K. Galbraith to Saigon to file a report to oppose the Rostow-Taylor recommendation of insertion of combat troops. And he objected to each and every attempt, of which there were nine of them in 1961, to get him to commit to sending combat troops. Caro never mentions any of this. And he also never mentions how McNamara became JFK's point man on the withdrawal through Galbraith's report. Further he cuts out the key May1963 SecDef meeting in Hawaii where McNamara met with the entire in-country team and went through each category to coordinate the withdrawal of the first thousand troops with the rest out in 1965. Its all there in black and white declassified documents. Somehow Caro missed it.
He then says that JFK's withdrawal was "tentative" and keyed to the McNamara-Taylor Report in the fall of 1963. When in fact, that report was not even written by those two men! It was written by Victor Krulak in Washington and handed to them to deliver to JFK. McNamara then announced the withdrawal plan to the press as JFK signed NSAM 263 into law. Once JFK was killed, this was all reversed in three months. Because what Caro does not say is that Johnson knew that Kennedy was basing his withdrawal plan on the military's false rosy scenario of success which was not there. LBJ was getting the real, pessimistic reports through his military aide Howard Burris. So when he became president, he began to draw on those in order to change the policy and get Pentagon battle plans to his desk--something Kennedy never wanted. Within three months, NSAM 288 reversed NSAM 263, and a full spectrum of battle, including contingent tactical nuclear weapons, was part of the plan to attack North Vietnam. What Kennedy did not give the military in three years, LBJ did in three months. Somehow Caro could not bring himself to admit that about his subject. (This is almost all in "Virtual JFK" and "JFK and Vietnam". Neither of which is in Caro's bibliography. )
Most of the book is like this. Very unbalanced and selective in order to make LBJ somehow look good and presidential and to present JFK, RFK and King as personages who did little or nothing. The question then becomes, then why did the sixties start out so well, and by 1968, it was in ruins? Its the job of the historian to tell you why. You won't get much of an answer here.
For the rest of my 8000 word comments go to ctka.net.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Magda Hassan - 03-08-2012
Excellent Jim! Amazon is a great place to influence readers. As you and Nathaniel know well.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Jim DiEugenio - 03-08-2012
Actually I think this may be working, at least the review is getting out there and circulating by several people who have emailed me about it.
Amazon lets you go back and add to your review.
I just may do that just to point out how bad Caro was in his chapter on the Warren Commission.
BTW, I should add, my next review for Bob Parry is on Lamar Waldron's book on Watergate.
I should have never taken that one on.
DiEugenio exposes Caro - Albert Doyle - 29-09-2012
Caro on C-SPAN2 at the National Book Festival:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXk24veTT9Y
If you go to 38:40 Caro says he hasn't read McClellan but from his research he concluded Johnson had nothing to do with any conspiracy to kill JFK. However if you have a sharp ear you can hear Caro referring to the conspiracy as something that existed, just without LBJ as a member. In other words, Caro never says Kennedy was killed by Oswald so there was no conspiracy. The context and tone is clearly Caro saying Johnson was not a part of the conspiracy that killed Kennedy.