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The Danger Of The Fetzer Assassination School - Albert Doyle - 19-05-2012
If you're smart you'll see that Geneva Hine's testimony to the FBI on 11/23 made it pretty clear that Oswald came to the change box every day between 12 and 1 to get change for the Coke machine. FBI should have asked the question "Did he do it that day?" but didn't. Geneva is very lucky she wasn't killed.
Oswald probably had the stoic demeanor Hine spoke of because he was aware he was a CIA op and didn't fraternize.
The Danger Of The Fetzer Assassination School - Albert Doyle - 19-05-2012
Cinque is a weaseling little liar. The Fritz notes clearly say "When officer came in". Cinque omits the "when officer" and connects "came in" with "to 1st floor had lunch". By doing this Cinque changes the context which shows Fritz clearly described the confrontation with Officer Baker prior to describing "Out - with Bill Shelley in front". Since the chronological order of Baker confronting Oswald in the lunch room happens well after any alleged appearance of Oswald on the front steps, the context is clear that Fritz is describing Oswald leaving the building when he writes "Out - with Bill Shelley in front". If indeed Oswald was out front during the shooting Fritz would have written that before the description of the confrontation with Baker.
The Danger Of The Fetzer Assassination School - Phil Dragoo - 19-05-2012
Cinque misrepresents Groden and Fritznever allow facts to stand in the way of a good provocation.
Fetzer conjures a mobile photo lab in a plumbing truck parked off Houston.
A couple of costumed clowns from the professional wrestling of the fifties, Dick the Bruiser and his manager Angelo Poffo.
Jan, there is a dialectic: thesis, antithesis, attack the antithesis using logical equivalence (all arguments are equally valid), tolerance and civility (please, let's not be beastly to the Germans), and the Soviet labeling of contrarians as mentally ill.
Simkin absent as was Allen Dulles or any of the unbroken stream of those out of the loop (choose your favorite).
Peter has long been targeted in the manner of Stalin's asylum-as-alternative-to-gulag; Ralph Leon Yates at page 351 and on in Douglass Unspeakable.
Albert has the event timed to a tee and draws wrath for that.
Resolved: that the site of John Potemkin is a Posner-Matic device to attract and neutralize inconvenient truths.
For a Cinque-like debater, see also Colin Ferguson aka Long Island Railway killer whose pro se performances were breathtaking.
The Danger Of The Fetzer Assassination School - Albert Doyle - 19-05-2012
Thanks Mr Kinaski. It's even worse than that. If you honor the true context of what Fritz wrote you can plainly see the correct syntax breaks in Fritz's shorthand. When interpreted correctly it says:
"2nd floor Coke when off came in"
"to 1st floor'
"had lunch"
"Out"
"with Bill Shelley in front"
This is the correct context of Fritz's shorthand notes and thoroughly disproves Cinque's claim per what I wrote previously.
The Danger Of The Fetzer Assassination School - Peter Lemkin - 19-05-2012
Quote:On 5/19/2012 4:33 PM, Evan Burton wrote:Oh so brave, challenging me in an arena where you know I cannot post. Quite in keeping with your personality, though.
Seems he forgot I was not allowed to / am not allowed to post there - never was allowed to defend myself and my challenge, actually, was to do so there - not here.....but the self blind are the most blind.
The Danger Of The Fetzer Assassination School - Greg Burnham - 19-05-2012
Cinque wrote to Michael Hogan:
"And Michael, analyzing internet photo evidence is the most important thing that we can do."
​Now I see what he and Boner have in common.
The Danger Of The Fetzer Assassination School - Albert Doyle - 19-05-2012
Mr Kinaski. If you do post any of my posts on to EF remind Cinque that he was literally unable to respond to my arguments about the police station as posted by Jerry Dealey.
The Danger Of The Fetzer Assassination School - Gary Craig - 20-05-2012
<<Beginning of Transcript>>
REPORT OF CAPT. J. W. FRITZ, DALLAS POLICE
DEPARTMENT
INTERROGATION OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD
-snip
"Immediately after I reached my office, I asked the officers who
had brought in a prisoner from the Tippit shooting who the man was who
shot the officer. They told me his name was Lee Harvey Oswald, and I
replied that that was our suspect in the President's killing. I
instructed the officers to bring this man into the office after talking
to the officers for a few minutes in the presence of Officers R. M. Sims
and E. L. Boyd of the Homicide Bureau and possibly some Secret Service
men. Just as I had started questioning this man I received a call from
Gordon Shanklin, Agent in Charge of the FBI office here in Dallas, who
asked me to let him talk to Jim Bookhout, one of his agents. He told
Mr. Bookhout that he would like for James P. Hosty to sit in on this
interview as he knew about these people and had interviewed them before.
I invited Mr. Bookhout and Mr. Hosty in to help with the interview.
After some questions about this man's full name I asked him if he worked
for the Texas School Book Depository, and he told me he did. I asked
him which floor he worked on, and he said usually on the second floor
but sometimes his work took him to all the different floors. I asked
him what part of the building he was in at the time the President was
shot, and he said that he was having lunch about that time on the first
floor. Mr. Truly had told me that one of the police officers had
stopped this man immediately after the shooting somewhere near the back
stairway, so I asked Oswald where he was when the police officer topped
him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola when the
officer came in. I asked him why he left the building, and he said
there was so much excitement he didn't this there would be any more work
done that day, and that as this company wasn't particular about their
hours, that they did not punch a clock, and that he thought it would be
just as well that he left for the rest of the afternoon. I asked him is
he owned a rifle, and he said that he did not. He said that he had seen
one at the building a few days ago, and that Mr. Truly and some
employees looking at it. I asked him where he went to when he left
work, and he told me that he had a room on 1026 North Beckley, that he
went over there and changed his trousers and got his pistol and went to
the picture show. I asked him why he carried his pistol, and he
remarked, "You know how boys do when they have a gun, they just carry
it."
-snip
"During this conversation he told me he reached his home by cab and
changed his shirt and trousers before going to the show. He said his
cab fare was 85 cents. When asked what he did with his clothing, he
took off when he got home, he said he put them in the dirty clothes. In
talking with him further about his location at the time the President
was killed, he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who
worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was
a little short man whose name he did not know. He said he had a cheese
sandwich and some fruit and that was the only package he had brought
with him to work and denied that he had brought a long package described
by Mr. Frazier and his sister."
-snip
"At that time I showed him a map of the City of Dallas which
had been recovered in the search of his room on North Beckley. This map
had some markings on it, one of which was about where the President was
shot. He said that the map had nothing to do with the President's
shooting and again, as he had done in previous interviews, denied knowing
anything of the shooting of the President, or of the shooting of Officer
Tibbit. He said the map had been used to locate buildings where he had
gone to talk to people about employment."
-snip
"Inasmuch as this report was made from rough notes and memory, it is
entirely possible that one of these questions would be in a separate
interview from the one indicated in this report."
-snip
<<End of Transcript>>
The Danger Of The Fetzer Assassination School - Greg Burnham - 20-05-2012
Thanks Craig. Pertinent...and timely.
The Danger Of The Fetzer Assassination School - Albert Doyle - 20-05-2012
[I was on the] 2nd floor when [the] off[icer] came in
[I then went down] to [the] 1st floor
[since I had already] had lunch
[I then went] Out [of the building]
with Bill Shelley* [standing] in front
* If you read some of Oswald's statements while in custody he often said some wild and crazy things, so he might be lying about Shelley but it doesn't make any difference.