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Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Helen Reyes - 16-05-2011 Mike Rivero is linking to this. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/16/unconfirmed-american-deaths-helicopter-crash-bin-laden-capture-aborted/ Unconfirmed: Bin Laden Mission Aborted, American Deaths from Helicopter Crash "EYEWITNESS" INTERVIEW SAYS AMERICANS DIED, MISSION UNSUCCESSFUL "We saw the helicopter burning, we saw the dead bodies, then everything was removed and now there is nothing" By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor A Pakistan news agency reports that the bin Laden raid on Abbottabad was aborted because of a helicopter crash which killed several passengers, believed to be Pashtu speaking Americans. Though this is from a news agency, it is an eyewitness account and unconfirmed. Veterans Today has received this story from several sources but most recently from our comments section. Thanks! If this story is true, it would be a disaster for the Obama presidency, deeply paralleling the unsuccessful hostage rescue attempt in Iran during the Carter presidency. If the story is true, our heartfelt sympathies for the families of those who may have died in this operation. As described below, the mission depicts real heroism and, despite political concerns and the usual finger pointing, represents, of all the stories told, something Americans can be proud of. True or not, there is a unpleasant ring of reality in this story that is lacking in all others, a reality proven out by the helicopter wreckage found at the scene. YouTube - Veterans Today - Full And Complete Translation Of The Pakistani News Video I Posted About Osama bin Laden This is a translation of the video linked at the bottom and was translated by my friend Khan Taashk. THANK YOU my dear friend. I wish there were a way for ALL Americans to read this translation. Quote:Anchor: Welcome back, Mohammad Bashir is a resident of Abboottabad's Bilal Town. Muhammad Bashir might seem an ordinary guy but he is no ordinary guy. Muhammad Bashir lives in front of Osama Ben Laden's house in Bilal Town Abbottabad. On 2nd of May, Muhammad Bashir was present on his rooftop from where he saw the whole American operation against Osama Ben Laden with his own eyes. Yesterday when our team was present In Bilal Town, Abbottabad, near Osama Ben Laden's hose, Muhammad Bashir came to us and said, "Sister, I need to tell you something, something that is a burden on my heart and soul", just listen to what he said. The reporter asked Bashir to narrate the story again. Quote:Bashir said we could see the faces of those men but they were speaking pashto. I dont know whether they were Pakistani or American army or people of agencies, as you know that agency people can speak many languages. This is the whole story! Every aspect and point translated. Quote:The gentleman being interviewed lives across from the compound. His cousin Sahab Jamrez Khan used to grow vegetables in the compound. He was taken away in all the hullabaloo on tape @10.29 Bashir says he did not see when they wisked his cousin away. Link to original Pakistani News video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0vo-L3VACs&feature=player_embedded Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Ed Jewett - 17-05-2011 I just tried to go to "WhatReallyHappened" and encountered yet another problem suggestive of external tampering or some such thing. It and other sites (like Chris Floyd's Empire Burlesque) are frequently under DDOS or malware attacks suggesting that what they are saying is at least critically annoying if not accurate. Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Peter Lemkin - 17-05-2011 The Ongoing bin Laden Saga: Can Americans Be Unplugged? by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts Global Research, May 16, 2011 "The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." The ever-changing, ever-growing bin Laden story becomes ever more preposterous. The cowardly bin Laden is now the vain bin Laden, the terror mastermind who has nothing to do but to sit and watch videos of himself. Washington released a video of an alleged bin Laden indulging in self-admiration, but there is no sound. Why? Was the video made without sound? Did Washington delete the audio? The video seems to show the alleged bin Laden speaking to someone in the room. Is the voice not bin Laden's? Is the alleged bin Laden referring to the image on the screen in the third person, as not himself? Why would bin Laden have a video made of himself watching videos of himself? Why is a video of bin Laden watching bin Laden a headline story? Is it meant to substitute for the absence of a corpse? As one reader put it, "The government is playing with us, experimenting to see if there is any tall tale we won't believe." The story keeps changing as to whether "bin Laden's compound," no longer a million dollar luxury mansion, had Internet and communications or relied on couriers. The latest installment is that bin Laden was online. Washington says that the raid delivered into its hands bin Laden's emails and diary, which, Washington claims, show an active bin Laden directing his terror network to carry out more plots. If bin Laden was online, why did Obama have to find him by trailing a courier? Somehow the SEALs grabbed bin Laden's diary and emails, but left all sorts of other documents that allegedly have fallen into Pakistani hands. These left-behind documents now serve as a pretext for more disputes with Pakistan and another excuse for ignoring Pakistan's protests about the military operations the US carries out in Pakistan, violating the sovereignty of the country. Why would the SEALs leave behind so many precious documents? First they kill for no reason the mastermind who could have revealed the world of terror; then they depart, leaving terror records behind. Some will say that this is typical US government incompetence. So how did such an incompetent government find bin Laden? Any documents left behind were most likely carried in by the SEALs as plants. Has anyone independent of Washington examined the alleged bin Laden diary and confirmed that it was in bin Laden's handwriting? These kind of questions are the kind the media, back when we had one, used to ask. The bin Laden story is now such a fable with so many contradictory bits that people can pick and choose to suit the telling. Time magazine likes it all, except the part about an all-powerful bin Laden, still in control, rejecting an underling's proposal "to fit a tractor with rotating blades to use to mow down the enemies of Allah.'" Time prefers a bin Laden who was unsettled by his realization that he had lost his "historic significance" prior to losing his life to the US Navy SEALs. If bin Laden had lost his significance, why did Obama get such a boost in the polls from his claim that he found bin Laden and had him killed? The American Empire cannot do without bin Laden. The next installment of the fable will be that bin Laden escaped, leaving behind a double, and is abroad carrying out more terror plots. As the fable continues, try to rescue from the Memory Hole the fact that we were presented with a death without a corpse and that Washington has no explanation for why an unarmed, undefended, frail man, who was a font of terrorist information, was murdered and not captured. Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Peter Lemkin - 17-05-2011 That story, above, about eyewitnesses that saw the only one escape helicopter explode and then dead and body parts needs to be verified...this whole 'caper' needs an international investigation - not a sham U.S. one. This opens up all kinds of new possibilities [and of course, itself, could be a false-flag story]. But if there is any truth to it, it would go a long way to explaining why some things were left at the 'OBL' compound and why there is no body to display. This obviously will 'play' on for years...like 911 and Dallas. :popworm: The problem is that Pakistani intelligence and military is no more trustworthy than America intelligence and military. They each have some mutual and some separate reasons to lie about what actually happened. If there are real witnesses, one can expect them to be silenced by many means....including mysterious deaths......From the very beginning, it seemed quite obvious with some of the very, VERY strange parts of the [ever changing] story, that the real truth of what happened and to whom was not likely to come out; unless forced out. As an aside, it really starts to look like only the weather report on the news, these days, is not fabricated, synthetic, false news-speak. Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Helen Reyes - 17-05-2011 Ed Jewett Wrote:I just tried to go to "WhatReallyHappened" and encountered yet another problem suggestive of external tampering or some such thing. It and other sites (like Chris Floyd's Empire Burlesque) are frequently under DDOS or malware attacks suggesting that what they are saying is at least critically annoying if not accurate. It seemed significant to me as well that WRH got DDOSed heavily starting about an half hour before the White House released the latest bin Laden fable. Usually the site does draw some minor DDOS because of the strident anti-Israel tone of some of the links and headlines. Regarding the long translated transcript of the Pakistani television interview above, my feeling is it complements my earlier hunches about, excuse the phrase, What Really Happened. I'm going to guess someone affiliated with the CIA Taliban in Pakistan project was targeted for assassination by an American strike force who spoke Pashtun, and who did all perish when the original helicopter came to pick them up. Snatching victory out of defeat, Obama told a whopper sufficient to excuse in the minds of some a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty well away from the drone attack zone on the Afghan frontier. I'm going to further guess that this presages major operations inside Pakistan with the complicity of a small group of CIA loyalists in the power structure who have all the assurances etc. for the limited nature of the incursions and their continued usefullness as allies, but who will be disappointed with those assurances at the same time there is pressure growing on their other flank to recognize a de facto state of war with the United States and NATO exists. This is all speculation and not worth a thing at this point. Events will show whether it was accurate at all. Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Jan Klimkowski - 17-05-2011 Helen Reyes Wrote:Regarding the long translated transcript of the Pakistani television interview above, my feeling is it complements my earlier hunches about, excuse the phrase, What Really Happened. I'm going to guess someone affiliated with the CIA Taliban in Pakistan project was targeted for assassination by an American strike force who spoke Pashtun, and who did all perish when the original helicopter came to pick them up. Snatching victory out of defeat, Obama told a whopper sufficient to excuse in the minds of some a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty well away from the drone attack zone on the Afghan frontier. I'm going to further guess that this presages major operations inside Pakistan with the complicity of a small group of CIA loyalists in the power structure who have all the assurances etc. for the limited nature of the incursions and their continued usefullness as allies, but who will be disappointed with those assurances at the same time there is pressure growing on their other flank to recognize a de facto state of war with the United States and NATO exists. Helen - I agree that your hypothesis is speculative. However, it is also informed by a deep political reading of much of the available "evidence", which has been deliberately spun, distorted, retracted, reissued, and - to coin a phrase - deliberately red herringed by PsyOp Central. I still suspect that: i) there was some sort of raid on a safe house in Abbottobad, involving an advanced - possibly Stealth - helicopter; ii) that helicopter crash landed and was abandoned at the scene; iii) since the safe house was so close to a major Pakistani miltary and intelligence hub, its existence must have been known to both ISI and US intelligence; iv) the occupants of the safe house are, at this time, unknowable with any certainty; v) PsyOp Central went into overdrive after the event, and the script - the Official Narrative - has broken down, catastrophically, on numerous occasions and is now totally non-credible. In my judgement, point v) is crucial. If this was simply the Chosen Time for the US President to announce the Death of "Terrorist Mastermind" and Bogeyman-In-Chief Osama Bin Laden, then I would expect the Official Narrative to have been scripted and honed to perfection. Instead, that Official Narrative has collapsed again and again. One implication of this is that the US military-multinational-intelligence-complex was not in control of events. Helen - for me, this adds to the plausibility of your hypothesis in which this was not a raid on Bin Laden, but alternately a Special Forces operation around a very important US (or ISI) asset. So, speculatively, there may have been a US intelligence/PMC agent provocateur military cell ensconced in the safe house, who were engaged in false flag actions to ratchet up the "War on Terror". Perhaps an ISI faction rumbled their presence in the Abbottobad safe house, decided to arrest them, and sparked a US Special Forces operation to attempt to protect and extract their assets. The Bin Laden nonsense then becomes a PsyOp Central attempt to cover up this illegal and botched mission. Or, speculatively, there may have been a key ISI Al Qaeda/Taliban liaison in the safe house, and this was an American raid to capture that person because of his knowledge of covert US sponsorship of Al Qaeda/Taliban. Or some variant of the above. Whatever, the Obama Got Osama Tale now looks as likely as Big John Wayne loking into the sun without squinting.... Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Charles Drago - 17-05-2011 I know, therefore I am. Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Helen - I agree that your hypothesis is speculative. However, it is also informed by a deep political reading of much of the available "evidence", which has been deliberately spun, distorted, retracted, reissued, and - to coin a phrase - deliberately red herringed by PsyOp Central. Spin, distortion, retraction, multi-iterations ... oh me oh my, I guess we can never know what happened here ... or anywhere ... Uncertainty is our greatest vulnerability insofar as it inhibits correction of our "mysteriously" malfunctioning system. And like the "perfect failure" that was the Bay of Pigs operation, the "imperfect 'success'" of the bin Laden charade keeps us paralyzed with doubt. Jan Klimkowski Wrote:v) PsyOp Central went into overdrive after the event, and the script - the Official Narrative - has broken down, catastrophically, on numerous occasions and is now totally non-credible. Or was the breakdown designed into the original scenario in order to foster endless speculation and support the "we can never really know" control mechanism? Jan Klimkowski Wrote:If this was simply the Chosen Time for the US President to announce the Death of "Terrorist Mastermind" and Bogeyman-In-Chief Osama Bin Laden, then I would expect the Official Narrative to have been scripted and honed to perfection. Perhaps it was. Scripted and executed to perfection, that is. Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Instead, that Official Narrative has broken down again and again. Perhaps it hasn't. Jan Klimkowski Wrote:One implication of this is that the US military-multinational-intelligence-complex was not in control of events. A higher authority, then? Utilizing another tool? Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Whatever, the Obama Got Osama Tale now looks as likely as Big John Wayne loking into the sun without squinting.... This we can know ... to the degree of metaphysical certitude. Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Jan Klimkowski - 17-05-2011 Charlie - so you are proposing that, at the metaphysical level, the Sponsors want to infantilize us into a state where uncertainty rules and true knowledge of events is considered impossible? There is shadow under this red rock (Come in under the shadow of this red rock), And I will show you something different from either Your shadow at morning striding behind you Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you; I will show you fear in a handful of dust. Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Charles Drago - 17-05-2011 I'm not sure. Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Ed Jewett - 17-05-2011 Wit aside, the exchange above is why I hang around here. Y'all ought to have your very own talk show, podcast, or something. |