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Michael Piper and Final Judgment - Greg Burnham - 29-10-2012
Charles Drago Wrote:Greg Burnham Wrote:Albert,
I have rarely seen anyone twist the meaning of another's words or mis-state another's position more drastically than you have regarding David's posts. It is beneath you.
No it isn't.
Evidently.
Michael Piper and Final Judgment - Phil Dragoo - 30-10-2012
Thus it is not proved.
And all the pouting tears in the watercolor words have failed to show "Israel" performing any role in the assassination of JFK.
Michael Piper and Final Judgment - Mark Stapleton - 30-10-2012
Phil Dragoo Wrote:Thus it is not proved.
And all the pouting tears in the watercolor words have failed to show "Israel" performing any role in the assassination of JFK.
Nothing is going to be 'proved'. How much has been 'proven' in last 49 years?
As for your second sentence, that's your opinion. Anyone who thinks there is no smoke here, after reading this thread and the link it started on, is a person whose mind is firmly closed.
Don't worry Phil, there's many others like you who have an unshakeable religious faith that the "bad guys" (as we are taught to believe who is good and bad) must have done it. Commies, rogue CIA, evil Mafia etc. It could never a cabal purporting to be allies, could it.
I'm convinced now that many 'researchers' dare not look into the Israel connection because they're terrified that it just could be true.
Michael Piper and Final Judgment - Mark Stapleton - 30-10-2012
Greg Burnham Wrote:Albert,
I have rarely seen anyone twist the meaning of another's words or mis-state another's position more drastically than you have regarding David's posts. It is beneath you.
I've seen one eyed judges before but this is ridiculous.
Michael Piper and Final Judgment - Mark Stapleton - 30-10-2012
Charles Drago Wrote:2. While the KNOWINGLY FALSE, cover-up-enhancing charge that Israelis were SPONSORS of the JFK conspiracy may not have surfaced publicly until the '90s, we have no way of knowing when the "Israel did it" card first was played far behind the scenes. Your charge that there was a 30-year delay before that play was made is without merit -- not to mention glaringly devoid of deep political insight.
It's a bit rich, unless you know who the sponsors were, to claim it's a 'knowingly false, cover-up-enhancing charge'.
You only need a bunch of like minded and well connected people who liked Israel a lot more than they liked Kennedy.
They don't all need to be Israelis. I can think of a few off the top of my head: Ben-Gurion, Lansky, Angleton, LBJ, Ruby. Of course, there's many more.
Michael Piper and Final Judgment - Mark Stapleton - 30-10-2012
Charles Drago Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:[Israel] is the biggest benefactor and current partner of that same shadow government that came to be after Kennedy's assassination.
Wrong on all counts.
To make a convincing "biggest beneficiary" argument, one must catalog all beneficiaries of the JFK assassination, describe the benefits that accrued to each, and then quantify the benefits via application of metrics that can measure comparatively the values of everything from the satisfaction of personal vendetta to the service of spiritual agenda.
Israel was the biggest beneficiary of any of the known suspects in the JFK assassination thus far.
They got such a spike in military aid that they went from being one of the powers to the regional superpower in four years. They got unprecedented access to levers of power in the US. Arthur and Mathilde Krim were regular dining guests at the LBJ ranch, according to his bio. Krim, an ardent Zionist and LBJ fundraiser, got a Medal of Freedom for his trouble. LBJ covered up the Liberty incident for Israel.
Last but not least, they got Dimona. The world's most powerful man had been dead against that.
I'm keen to see which beneficiaries in such a catalog can beat that.
Michael Piper and Final Judgment - Greg Burnham - 30-10-2012
It is hard to imagine that I am reading an argument that claims "The Jooz are Kennedy killers!" Please don't try to convince me
that what you are really saying is "The Israelis are Kennedy killers!" That is merely a "political" distinction and not a very deep
one.
Michael Piper and Final Judgment - Mark Stapleton - 30-10-2012
Greg Burnham Wrote:Please don't try to convince me
that what you are really saying is "The Israelis are Kennedy killers!" That is merely a "political" distinction and not a very deep
one.
If you said "The Zionists are Kennedy killers", I would agree.
I don't want to impugn innocent Israelis.
Michael Piper and Final Judgment - Charles Drago - 30-10-2012
Mark Stapleton Wrote:Charles Drago Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:[Israel] is the biggest benefactor and current partner of that same shadow government that came to be after Kennedy's assassination.
Wrong on all counts.
To make a convincing "biggest beneficiary" argument, one must catalog all beneficiaries of the JFK assassination, describe the benefits that accrued to each, and then quantify the benefits via application of metrics that can measure comparatively the values of everything from the satisfaction of personal vendetta to the service of spiritual agenda.
Israel was the biggest beneficiary of any of the known suspects in the JFK assassination thus far.
They got such a spike in military aid that they went from being one of the powers to the regional superpower in four years. They got unprecedented access to levers of power in the US. Arthur and Mathilde Krim were regular dining guests at the LBJ ranch, according to his bio. Krim, an ardent Zionist and LBJ fundraiser, got a Medal of Freedom for his trouble. LBJ covered up the Liberty incident for Israel.
Last but not least, they got Dimona. The world's most powerful man had been dead against that.
I'm keen to see which beneficiaries in such a catalog can beat that.
Mark,
Please try to read my posts carefully and for meaning before you come back with what is all to typically a non-responsive reiteration of the original nonsense to which I reacted.
Michael Piper and Final Judgment - Charles Drago - 30-10-2012
Mark Stapleton Wrote:Nothing is going to be 'proved'. How much has been 'proven' in last 49 years?
This is, to my knowledge, the second time you have attempted to serve the core interest of the cover-up by claiming -- falsely -- that we know nothing about what happened to JFK and that all we really have are theories.
In other words, uncertainty is all we possess and all we can hope for.
Knowingly or not, you are providing yeoman service to the Sponsors of JFK's murder.
You've previously spouted that we don't have "authenticated" proof of what happened to JFK. Now you ask rhetorically "how much has been 'proven' in the last 49 years".
In doing so, you simply reveal your own ignorance and attempt to ascribe it to others.