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John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee - James Norwood - 24-12-2013 Magda, The list of missing documents starts with Oswald's birth certificate and ends with the contents of his multiple wallets confiscated on the weekend of the assassination. Then, we need almost everything in between, spanning 1939-1963, that concerns government files related to Lee Harvey Oswald. One key file on the list should be the Joannides materials, which would help to explain exactly how Oswald was set up as the patsy in the summer of 1963. Many of these materials are undoubtedly destroyed. James John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee - Peter Lemkin - 24-12-2013 James Norwood Wrote:Magda, The joannides materials likely point to his and CIA's role in both JFK's and RFK's assassinations - so I don't expect it to be released anytime soon. I just 'love' the multiple wallets of 'Oswald'. All guys know we have several :p just as some women have several pocketbooks. I've never met a man with more than one active wallet [with things in it]...and, of course, these all were claimed to be his 'active' - right out of his back pocket wallet. Impossible!...as was almost everything that went on in Dallas. As Armstrong has amply pointed out, some of this 'impossibility' [at least as officially presented'] went on well before the events of Dallas. While it is certainly possible there was only one 'Oswald Project', I wonder aloud if there hadn't been other undiscovered paired persons for use in CIA or other intel intrigues....or just to have on hand if needed. John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee - Peter Lemkin - 24-12-2013 James Norwood Wrote:Magda, The Joannides materials likely point to his and CIA's role in both JFK's and RFK's assassinations - so I don't expect it to be released anytime soon. I just 'love' the multiple wallets of 'Oswald'. All guys know we have several :p just as some women have several pocketbooks. I've never met a man with more than one active wallet [with things in it]...and, of course, these all were claimed to be his 'active' - right out of his back pocket wallet. Impossible!...as was almost everything that went on in Dallas. As Armstrong has amply pointed out, some of this 'impossibility' [at least as officially presented'] went on well before the events of Dallas. While it is certainly possible there was only one 'Oswald Project', I wonder aloud if there hadn't been other undiscovered paired persons for use in CIA or other intel intrigues....or just to have on hand if needed. John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee - Tracy Riddle - 24-12-2013 Peter Lemkin Wrote:The Joannides materials likely point to his and CIA's role in both JFK's and RFK's assassinations - so I don't expect it to be released anytime soon. I wouldn't expect anything really incriminating to have been written down in the first place, and if it was those documents were probably kept in separate (private) filing systems where they will never be subject to FOIA suits. John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee - Jim Hargrove - 24-12-2013 James Norwood Wrote:Magda, A second issue, almost as important as all the missing documents, surely involves all the forged documents in this case. The most famous scandal might involve how a Minox "spy" camera on an evidence list became a Minox light meter on a subsequent inventory, but there are many other examples. A dozen years ago or so, I sent blow-ups of three different W-2 forms from "Oswald's" so-called pre-Marine employment to IBM archivist Dawn Stanford. At Armstrong's suggestion, I carefully blacked out "Oswald's" name on the form because, as JA often says, things get weird when people realize research is about LHO. Anyway, Dawn was an expert in typography and had, by her own estimation, many thousands of samples of current and historic fonts. During a telephone interview, she said that the type font on the three different W-2 forms, supposedly from three different employers, appeared to be identical, an unusual font that she could not locate in her extensive collection. I asked her if she thought the forms were typed on the same machine, and she answered, "Yes, that's what I thought, too." What are the chances of that happening in real life? Ooh... and I almost forgot one of the most obviously forged documents of all... the Money Order for a certain Italian carbine that was never deposited or cashed by Kleins Sporting Goods: http://harveyandlee.net/MoneyOrder.html . Jim John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee - Dawn Meredith - 24-12-2013 Jim Hargrove Wrote:James Norwood Wrote:Magda, Which takes Harvey (Hidel) out of the picture re. purchasing a rifle. All of the evidence linking Harvey to the assassination of either JFK or Tippit was faked. John's paper on Tippit that I presented at COPA was definitive for me. What made it especially enticing is that the Tippit shooting was an area on which I had done almost zero research. JA absolutely nailed it for me. I agree that this particular state secret opens up a HUGE can of worms. When I have attempted to tell people about two ossies and two moms people find it too incredible. Truth is always stranger than fiction. Dawn John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee - Jim Hargrove - 24-12-2013 Dawn Meredith Wrote:Which takes Harvey (Hidel) out of the picture re. purchasing a rifle. All of the evidence linking Harvey to the assassination of either JFK or Tippit was faked. John's paper on Tippit that I presented at COPA was definitive for me. It's so great that you were able to represent John at COPA for the Fiftieth! Agree totally that there is absolutely nothing that stands up to scrutiny to connect the Russian-speaking Oswald to either murder that day. Evidence linking the Seaport Traders hand gun to "Oswald" is a load of manure too. Dawn Meredith Wrote:What made it especially enticing is that the Tippit shooting was an area on which I had done almost zero research. JA absolutely nailed it for me. Introducing Two Oswalds to the uninitiated is a heavy load indeed! Sometimes I prefer to talk about a CIA "Oswald Project" first, and the two guys second. Have a Merry Christmas! Jim John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee - Duncan Pillans - 25-04-2014 Jim Hargrove Wrote:JA just sent me the following picture (sorry it isn't clearer) taken in New Orleans in 1956. Paine? Just wild guess. John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee - Jim Hargrove - 25-04-2014 When I posted this photo last August, someone suggested the two women were Marilyn and Lillian Murret. John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee - Jim Hargrove - 28-04-2014 Harvey&Lee Time-Line
Basedon Harvey& Lee byJohn Armstrong Compiledby Ron Williams(version 7/16/2004) DateLee DateHarvey
8/8/1929 LateSummer 1958 Final Identity SwitchMargueriteFrances Claverie, mother of Lee Oswald marries Edward J.Pic 1/17/1932 JohnEdward Pic, half brother of Lee Oswald born in NewOrleans 6/28/1933 Marguerite& Edward Pic divorced 7/20/1933 Margueritemarries Robert E.L Oswald 4/7/1934 RobertEdward Lee Oswald, Jr, brother of Lee Oswald born in NewOrleans 8/19/1939 RobertEdward Lee Oswald, father of Lee Oswald dies Late'30s? "HarveyOswald" born, Russian speaking area of EasternEurope?? 10/18/39 LeeOswald born in New Orleans 1940s? "Harvey"moves to NY City, lives with father & uncle who are"communists"?? Jan1944 MargueriteOswald moves to Dallas 5/7/1945 Margueritemarries Edward Ekdahl 1/17/1945 Lee'stonsils removed in Dallas 7/7/1947 Firstappearance of the imposter "Marguerite" ??, buys "SanSaba" house in Benbrook, TX 6/15/1948 Marguerite& Edward Ekdahl divorced 7/15/1952 RobertOswald joins US Marine Corps 8/20/1952 Marguerite& Lee drive to NY City 52& '53 Leeparallel life in NYC with Harvey 52& '53 Harveyparallel life in NYC with Lee Summer53 Harveyin Stanley, North Dakota Fall1953 Leeattends Public School #44 in New York City Fall1953 "Marguerite"& Harvey to New Orleans, Harvey attends Beauregard Junior HighSchool Jan1954 Lee& Marguerite move to New Orleans Early1954 Leein home room 303 (3rd floor) Beauregard Junior High in NewOrleans Early1954 Harveyin Mrya DeRouse's (basement) home room Beauregard JH in NewOrleans Fall1954 Harveyat Stripling Junior HS in Fort Worth, TX Early1955 Leelast half of 9th grade Beauregard JH Early1955 Harveyemployed at Dolly Shoe in New Orleans Summer55 Leejoins Civil Air Patrol in New Orleans 7/55-8/56? Leeworking at Tujague's NO full time Fall1955 Harveyin 10th grade at Warren Easton HS in NO Early1956 Harvey& "Marguerite" in San Diego, CA ?? Latesummer '56 Lee& Marguerite move to Fort Worth, live at 3830 W 6th, Apt 3 Summer'56 Harvey,"Marguerite" & Robert Oswald!!, living at 4936Collinwood, Fort Worth, TX (Leenever attended high school) 9/6/1956 Harveyenrolls at Arlington Heights HS, Fort Worth Late1956 Leein Marine MACF unit, El Toro, CA?? 10/26/56 Harveystarts Marine boot camp, San Diego, CA 12/17/56 Harveyearns Sharpshooter (212) badge with M-1 (Lee'stonsils had been removed in 1945) 1/6/1957 Harveyhas tonsillitis, given penicillin Jan1957 Leein 5th Marine Div at Camp Pendleton? 1/18/1957 Harveystarts Marine ITR at Camp Pendleton, CA Feb1957 Leein Fort Worth on leave 3/18/1957 Leeto Jacksonville, FL Marine aviation training 5/2/1957 Harveyarrives in Jacksonville, FL for aviation training 5/2/1957 Leeon night train to Biloxi for radar training 6/19/1957 Leestarts 2nd Marine Corps leave AugSep57 Harveyattends aviation elec school in Memphis 7/9-8/21'57 Leeat El Toro,CA before shipping to Japan Sep1957 Harveyleaves Marine Corps active duty 8/22/1957 Leesails from San Diego on USS Bexar Sep1957 Harveyattends Antioch College in Ohio ?? 9/12/1957 Leearrives Atsugi, Japan Fall1957 "Marguerite"moves, Fort Worth to New Orleans 10/27/57 Leeshoots self in arm with .22 Derringer Oct1957 Harveystarts work at Pfisterer's Dental Lab in New Orleans, lives at theHotel Senator 11/20/57 Leedeparts for Phillipines Late1957 Harveybecomes friends with Palmer McBride 1/5/1958 deathof Martin Schrand, Lee not involved Late1957 Harvey& McBride in New Orleans Amateur AstronomyAssociation 3/18/1958 Leeback at Atsugi Oct1957 Harvey& McBride attend opera Boris Godounov 4/11/1958 Lee's1st court martial (illegal firearm) Early1958 NOAAAmeeting at home of Walter Gehrke 6/20/1958 Leepours drink on Sgt Rodriquez, Yamoto Spring'58 Harveythrown out of William Wulffe's house 6/27/1958 Lee's2nd court martial May1958 Harveyand "Marguerite" move to Fort Worth Aug1958 Leeserves time in brig Summer58 Harveyback on Marine active duty, to Atsugi, Japan to prepare for identityswitch? Sep58 Harvey"hidden" in brig at Atsugi? TheLegend Lee Harvey Oswald Sept1958
Leetreated for venereal disease 9/14/1958 Harveyshipped to Taiwan Sep/Oct58 Leenumerous medical treatments at Atsugi 10/4/1958 Harvey'salleged shooting incident on guard duty 11/2/1958 Leedeparts Japan on USS Barrett 10/6/1958 Harvey'slast known date in Ping Tung, Taiwan 11/15/58 Leearrives San Francisco goes on leave Oct1958 Harveyat Iwakuni Airbase in Japan 12/19/58 Leereports to MACS3 in El Toro, CA Oct/Nov'58 Harveyat MACS9 in Tustin, CA (near Santa Anna) (Leewas stationed at MACS3, the large jet base at El Toro which is about4 miles away and on the opposite side of I-5 from MACS9, the LighterThan Air [LTA] facility at Tustin where Harvey wasstationed.) 1/19/1959 Leeat Vincent AFB Yuma, AZ horse photo 1/23/1959 Harveyin "Hut34" at MACS9 with Nelson Delgado Feb/Mar'59 Leeaka "Ozzie" back at MACS3 in El Toro, CA 2/25/1959 Harveyaka "Oswaldovitch" takes Russian test March59 Leedischarged?? 3/19/1959 Harveyapplies to Albert Schweitzer College June1959 Leein New Orleans at McBeath Rooming House 3/23/1959 Harveyobtains High School GED 5/6/1959 Harveyqualifies as Marksman (191) with M-1 6/19/1959 Harveywrites to Albert Schweitzer College for last time Aug1959 Leeseen in Coral Gables, FL July1959 Harveyvisits Red Cross re: "Marguerite's" injury 9/12/1959 Leevisits Robert Oswald in Fort Worth 9/4/1959 Harveyreleased from Marine Corps active duty 9/14/1959 Leeregisters with Selective Service in Fort Worth 9/19/1959 Harveysails from New Orleans for Europe 1/13/1960 Harvey'sfirst day of work in Minsk, USSR Late1960 "Ozzie"seen by Marita Lorenz in Florida 1/20/1961 Leeat Bolton Ford in New Orleans Spring61 Leefuels boat in Key West, FL 3/24/1961 Harveymeets Marina in Minsk, USSR 5/7/1961 Leein Havana, Cuba 4/30/1961 Harveyand Marina married in Minsk May1961 Leeseen in Garland, Texas Late1961 Leearrested in New Orleans Dec1961 Leeseen w/ Clay Shaw at Leeman's Baths in New Orleans Late1961 Leemeets Steve Landesberg in NY City 2/15/1962 JuneMarina Oswald born in Minsk, USSR 5/22/1962 Harvey,Marina, and June leave Minsk April1962 Leetested at Texas Employment Commission (TEC) 6/13/1962 Harvey& family arrive in Hoboken, NJ 6/14/1962 Harvey& family arrive in Fort Worth June1962 Harveyregisters at Texas Employment Comm Summer62 Leeseen in New Orleans restaurant July1962 Harveygets job at Leslie Welding in Fort Worth Sep1962 Leemeets Donald P Norton in Mexico 10/9/1962 Harveyrents PO Box 2915 in Dallas 10/12/62 Harveystarts work at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall Dallas 11/25/62 JohnPic does not recognize Harvey at Thanksgiving 3/29/1963 Leein Sparta, Wisconsin 3/12/1963 Harveyallegedly orders Mannlicher-Carcano rifle 4/6/1963 Harvey'slast day at Jaggars-Chiles-Stoval 4/10/1963 GeneralWalker shooting incident in Dallas 4/11/1963 Lee& Jack Ruby at Escapades Bar in Houston 4/11/1963 Harveyat TEC office in Dallas MidApril 63 Harveyhands out FPCC literature in Dallas 4/24/1963 Harveyarrives in New Orleans by bus LateApril Harveyapplies for work in Guy Banister's office 5/9/1963 Harveyapplies for work at William B Reily Coffee May1963 Harveyvisits Dean Andrew's law office in NO Summer'63 Leeobserved in Dallas with Jack Ruby July1963 Harveyseen by Dean Andrews on Canal Street July1963 Leeat Hotel Luma, Mexico City with Richard CaseNagell 7/22/1963 Harvey'slast day at William B Reily Coffee Co Summer'63 Leeseen driving Ruth Paines car in Irving 7/27/1963 Harveyspeaks at college in Mobile, AL August'63 Harveyat Carlos Bringuier's clothing store in NO LateAug 63 Leeinquires about jobs in Jackson, LA 8/9/1963 Harveyarrested for FPCC leafleting in New Orleans LateAug 63 Leein Clinton, LA w/Clay Shaw & David Ferrie 8/21/1963 Harveyappears on WDSU TV with Bill Stucky in New Orleans August1963 Leedrives Ruth Paine's car to get haircut Aug-Sep63 Leemeets with David Atlee Phillips in Dallas 8/31/1963 Leeat R McKeown's in Baycliff, TX 8/31or9/1? Harvey& family visit the Murrets in New Orleans EarlySep63 Lee/Shaw/Rubytogether in Baton Rouge EarlySep63 PerryRusso sees Lee at David Ferrie's Sep1963 Leeseen at Lake Pontchartrain camp EarlySep63 Leeconfronted by Richard C Nagell in New Orleans 9/16/1963 Leein New York City with Ruth Paine?? 9/23/1963 Leeinterviews for job in Dallas 9/23/1963 RuthPaine & Marina leave NO for Irving, TX 9/25/1963 Leein Austin, TX at Sel Service Office 9/25/1963 Harveyleaves New Orleans (bus? car?) 9/25/1963 Leeflies from Austin to Houston 9/26/1963 Leeon Houston to Laredo bus 9/25or26'63 Harveyat TEC office in Dallas 9/26/1963 Leeon Laredo to Mexico City bus 9/26/1963 Harveyvisits Sylvia Odio in Dallas 9/27/1963 Leein Mexico City, Hotel del Comercio (Harveywas never in Mexico City) 10/3/1963 Leein Alice, TX checking on job 10/3/1963 Harveyat the TEC office in Dallas 10/4/1963 Leein Dallas with J Ruby at Carousel Club 10/4/1963 Harveyattends ACLU meeting in Dallas 10/7/1963 Harveyrents room at 621 N Marsalis in Dallas 10/12/1963 Leegets haircut from Cliff Shasteen, Irving 10/5-10/20? Harvey1st interview at Dallas TEC w/Laura Kittrell 10/14/63 Harveyrents room at 1026 N Beckly in Dallas 10/15/63 RuthPaine calls TSBD asking about job opening (atsome point Lee & Harvey's TEC records were combined into onefile) 10/15/63 Harvey2nd interview at Dallas TEC w/Laura Kittrell 10/17/63 LauraKittrell, TEC interviews Lee?? 10/16/63 Harvey'sfirst day of work at the TSBD 10/24/63 Leegets haircut from Cliff Shasteen, Irving 10/20/63 AudreyMarina Rachel Oswald born Parkland Hospital in Dallas 10/25/63 Leein Baton Rouge more framing of Harvey 10/25/63 Harveyattends ACLU meeting in Dallas w/M Paine 10/26/63 Leeat Sports Drome Rifle Range "framing" 11/2/1963 Leeat Dowtown Lincoln/Mercury, Dallas 11/6or 7 '63 "Lee& Marina" at Furniture Mart, Irving 11/10/63 Leeat Sports Drome, Garland Slack 11/10/63 Harveyat the Paine's home in Irving 11/12/63 Lee& J Ruby at Contract Electronics 11/14/63 Lee& J Ruby in Morgan City, LA 11/16/63 Leeat Sports Drome, seen by the Woods 11/16/63 Harveyat N Beckly room all weekend 11/17/63 Leeat Sports Drome fires at wrong target 11/17/63 Leedelivers Gonzalez note in Abilene, TX 11/18/63 Leein Juarez, Mexico 11/18/63 Harveyat work at the TSBD 11/19/63 Leearrives back in Fort Worth 11/20/63 Leeseen with 2 others at Redbird Airport 11/20/63 Leeat the Dobbs House Res, Tippit too 11/20/63 Harveyat work at the TSBD 11/20/63 Leehitch hikes to Houston & Elm with brown paper "curtain rod"package 11/21/63 2AM"Ozzie" seen by Marita Lorenz at Dallas motel, Lee seen atJ Ruby's apartment later that night 11/21/63 Harveyspends night at Paine's in Irving 11/22/63 2:15AMLee seen with J Ruby at Lucas B&B Restaurant 11/22/63 Harveyrides to work with W Buell Frazier 11/22/63 AMLee in Top Ten Records, Tippitt too 11/22/63 9:30Lee at Jiffy Store shows drivers lic 11/22/63 12:30PMLee in 6th floor window with a weapon, more framing ofHarvey 11/22/63 12:30PMHarvey in the lunch room on the 2nd floor of the TSBD 11/22/63 12:31?Lee and accomplice exit 6th floor by the back stairs 11/22/63 Lee'saccomplice (Mac Wallace?) leaves building by 1st floor backdoor 11/22/63 12:32Harvey confronted by Roy Truly and Officer Baker on the 2ndfloor 11/22/63 Leeexits building through 2nd floor office, down front stairs and outthe front entrance 11/22/63 12:35?Harvey picks up his jacket on the 1st floor and leaves building byfront entrance 11/22/63 Leeseen by Roger Craig & other witnesses getting into Ramblerstation wagon in front of TSBD 11/22/63 Harveyboards Cecil McWatter's bus on Elm St, then gets off about 12:44 whenit is stopped in traffic 11/22/63 12:??Officer Tippit waiting in patrol car for bus when it crosses HoustonStreet viaduct into Oak Cliff expecting to see Harvey on thebus 11/22/63 12:47Harvey in William Whaley's cab 11/22/63 12:47Lee seen at Tidy Lady Launderette at Davis and N Clinton, makes phonecall 11/22/63 12:53Harvey exits William Whaley's cab 4 blocks from his roominghouse 11/22/63 1:00Harvey changes clothes, Police car 107 in front of 1026 N Beckly,honks horn twice 11/22/63 1:15Lee shoots and kills Officer Tippit 11/22/63 1:10Harvey buys ticket and enters the Texas Theater 11/22/63 Leelast seen by Tippit shooting witnesses in alley near Abundant LifeChurch at 10th & Crawford 1:10 1:45? Harvey moves to different seats on main floor, looking forsomeone? 11/22/63 Leesneaks into Texas Theater, arrested in balcony & taken out theback of the theater?? 11/22/63 1:50Harvey arrested in Texas Theater taken out the frontdoor 11/24/63 Harveyshot and killed by Jack Ruby |