Jim DiEugenio Wrote:You know, looking at that early clip, that has to be one of the best reports ever on the JFK case on national TV.

At least I don't ever recall something like that by anyone else.

I mean even today, that is pretty good.

Boy, even with softballs, Bugliosi look silly.

Tracy Riddle Wrote:Most of the "progressive" blogosphere is entirely concerned with the partisan puppet show. They'll spend all day talking about the latest outrageous statement by Rush Limbaugh or Michele Bachman instead of focusing on the vast unelected government that actually runs the country. Even back in the 60s, many "liberals" apparently didn't want to see the enormous power wielded by people like Dulles, Hoover, LeMay and others. It upsets their tidy little world view.

A few months ago, Chris Matthews got into an argument with Cynthia Tucker when she brought up the CIA plots to kill Castro. There was no mention of the Mafia at all, but Chris didn't even want to admit that the CIA had tried to kill Castro. "Oh, I think they were trying to make his beard fall out, but they weren't trying to kill him." Now, if they'll lie about established history, documented by Congressional committees, what won't they lie about to preserve their world view?

Cliff Varnell Wrote:

Tracy Riddle Wrote:I think Eisenhower was also highly resistant to sending in US troops (except for Lebanon in 1958), but unfortunately he overcompensated in the other direction by building enough nukes to blow up the planet.

Didn't Ike inherit the massive US military build-up from Truman and his Sec of Def Robert Lovett?

David Guyatt Wrote:

Albert Rossi Wrote:

Tracy Riddle Wrote:Going through public school and college in the 70s and 80s, all I ever learned about JFK was that he was a Cold War hawk who stood up to the Russians during the Missile Crisis, plus the Berlin speech, the Bay of Pigs, and the moon race. That was it. Oh, and LBJ was just following Kennedy's Vietnam policy.

Tracy, I can concur with all that you say. What saddens me most about this is that academic intellectuals on the left, not just the right, have put their rubber stamp on this view.

Quote: Only through my own research did I learn how distorted and inaccurate that picture was. In fact, I'd say Americans don't learn any real history about any of their Presidents. They learn a lot of myths, legends and stereotypes. And many are totally happy listening to the Right-wing myth machine (our Founding Fathers wanted this to be a Christian nation, etc).

I think these myths are so ingrained -- from school, the media, family, and in many cases religious organizations -- that it is almost impossible to shake them. I also wonder why most Americans are so passive, even when they (we) learn something about the power structure that should outrage them (us). It has been my own experience -- and this is more an impression than anything else -- that Europeans will take to the streets for much less than what we swallow here daily.

Relevant here is Prof. Antony Sutton's book "America's Secret Establishment" and particularly the chapter entitled "How the Order Controls Education".

The process of active thoughtlessness begins in schools and is reinforced thereafter by the media.

Al, I agree that some Europeans take to the streets. The French are particularly to be admired in this regard (but the State's CRS is also particularly formidable too, because of the regularly revolting masses).

The Greeks and Turks are currently at the barricades too.

But I ashamed to say that we Brits - with a few exceptions - are as passive as can be.

Ps, the link I placed above is to a free pdf of Tony's book.

Quote:Relevant here is Prof. Antony Sutton's book "America's Secret Establishment" and particularly the chapter entitled "How the Order Controls Education".


Ps, the link I placed above is to a free pdf of Tony's book.

Dawn Meredith Wrote:

David Guyatt Wrote:

Albert Rossi Wrote:

Tracy Riddle Wrote:Going through public school and college in the 70s and 80s, all I ever learned about JFK was that he was a Cold War hawk who stood up to the Russians during the Missile Crisis, plus the Berlin speech, the Bay of Pigs, and the moon race. That was it. Oh, and LBJ was just following Kennedy's Vietnam policy.

Tracy, I can concur with all that you say. What saddens me most about this is that academic intellectuals on the left, not just the right, have put their rubber stamp on this view.

Quote: Only through my own research did I learn how distorted and inaccurate that picture was. In fact, I'd say Americans don't learn any real history about any of their Presidents. They learn a lot of myths, legends and stereotypes. And many are totally happy listening to the Right-wing myth machine (our Founding Fathers wanted this to be a Christian nation, etc).

I think these myths are so ingrained -- from school, the media, family, and in many cases religious organizations -- that it is almost impossible to shake them. I also wonder why most Americans are so passive, even when they (we) learn something about the power structure that should outrage them (us). It has been my own experience -- and this is more an impression than anything else -- that Europeans will take to the streets for much less than what we swallow here daily.

Relevant here is Prof. Antony Sutton's book "America's Secret Establishment" and particularly the chapter entitled "How the Order Controls Education".

The process of active thoughtlessness begins in schools and is reinforced thereafter by the media.

Al, I agree that some Europeans take to the streets. The French are particularly to be admired in this regard (but the State's CRS is also particularly formidable too, because of the regularly revolting masses).

The Greeks and Turks are currently at the barricades too.

But I ashamed to say that we Brits - with a few exceptions - are as passive as can be.

Ps, the link I placed above is to a free pdf of Tony's book.

David, My browser (Internet explorer) tells me it can't open the link above. Darn!!

Dawn