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The Truth about the WC at Last - Tracy Riddle - 15-06-2014 In the demonology of the far right during the Cold War, there were more than a few who believed that the CIA was filled with Ivy League liberals who were actually helping the international communist conspiracy. That's crazy, of course, but more than a few Birchers and their ilk believed that. Nixon and Pat Buchanan seemed to have bought into that idea to some degree. If you define "liberal" as a "globalist," then I guess the CIA (and most of the Elite establishment) fits that description, and for many American ultra-nationalists, this is what they mean when they talk about the New World Order. As for blaming the CIA that early, Richard Starnes in December 1963 wrote, "Will the presence on the panel of Allen Dulles, erstwhile headmaster of the Central Intelligence Agency, assure us that the truth of Oswald's sojourn in the Soviet Union will ever be known?" The CIA was still an unknown entity to most Americans in the early 60s. I like what M.S. Arnoni wrote in January 1964, which comes closer to the truth in my opinion: Let us make the "fantastic" assumption that President Lyndon Johnson and Attorney-General Robert F. Kennedy know or believe that the murder was planned by a group of high-ranking officers who would stop at nothing to end American-Soviet negotiations. However strong their desire to avenge John F. Kennedy, what course would be open to them? To move against such formidable conspirators might start a disastrous chain of events. It could lead to American troops shooting at other American troops. It could lead to a direct take-over by a military clique. To avert such catastrophes, it might well be considered prudent to pretend utter ignorance, in the hope that the conspirators might be removed from power discreetly, at a later date, one by one. Quote from Jim: Bob Tanenbaum told an audience in Chicago, and myself personally, what Schweiker told him in private quarters. He handed him Gaeton Fonzi's file on Bishop/Phillips. As he did so, he said words to the effect, The CIA killed President Kennedy. Well, at this point that kind of hearsay doesn't do much for us. Politicians are nearly always worried about maintaining their political viability and protecting the institutions of government. Especially when the plotters are in the Pentagon and the CIA, as I believe. The former are the big dogs, and the latter are just one of many intelligence agencies (foreign and domestic) that help do the dirty work. The Truth about the WC at Last - Jim DiEugenio - 15-06-2014 Russell was not that far right in his overall record. In fact, if you look outside his civil rights record, I think he is kind of a moderate. I don't define liberal as a globalist, at least not in today's terminology of global trade. If you mean it in the foreign policy sphere as someone who wants the USA not to be isolationist, then that is different. As per Schweiker, it may not do a lot of good for us, but it sure explains the dichotomy about Castro and Phillips. The Truth about the WC at Last - Drew Phipps - 16-06-2014 Someone help me out here: Clinton was supposedly at Yale from 1971 to 1973, and had a job in 1972 working in Arizona for McGovern. At what point does his academic career or work with the McGovern campaign land him in Alaska organizing junkets for the House majority leader? Don't make me go and buy the book! The Truth about the WC at Last - Albert Doyle - 16-06-2014 Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I mean, just add it up, if Schweiker was hot on the trail of Phillips --and he was--then how could that lead to Fidel Castro? But he was not going to say that in public. Too careful. And Bobby Kennedy too. Exactly the same. The Truth about the WC at Last - Tracy Riddle - 16-06-2014 Drew Phipps Wrote:Someone help me out here: Clinton was supposedly at Yale from 1971 to 1973, and had a job in 1972 working in Arizona for McGovern. At what point does his academic career or work with the McGovern campaign land him in Alaska organizing junkets for the House majority leader? See, this is where people need to be more careful about their research. Here's an excerpt from Clinton's book: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_b645f90a01014er5.html The speaker at the dinner was the House majority leader, Hale Boggs of Louisiana. He made an impassioned speech for McGovern and the Democrats. The next morning I got him up early to catch a plane to Alaska, where he was scheduled to campaign with Congressman Nick Begich. The following day, on a swing through the snowcapped mountains, their plane crashed and was never found. So Clinton did not drive Boggs to get on the plane that crashed - that was a later flight, from Anchorage to Juneau. The Truth about the WC at Last - Peter Lemkin - 16-06-2014 It might be more complex than 'just' a plane crash.....whether or not Clinton [with his intelligence connections all Presidents since the JFK 'hit' have had - and had to have had] drove Boggs to his flight...or was just 'interestingly' 'around' when it happened. ::darthvader:: Nixon White House tape of April 6, 1971, which contains a conversation between President Richard Nixon and Majority leader Gerald Ford. Nixon is heard telling Ford that he does not trust Hale Boggs, and that something is going to have to be done about it. Add into the mix, these three FBI telexes.... [ATTACH=CONFIG]6075[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]6076[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]6077[/ATTACH] Which SEEM to hint that the Boggs plane WAS found and some live survivors were observed....making this all much more complex and stealthy than I had thought. Were they left to die there?! Why no recovery of the plane and bodies [alive or dead]?! Anyone know of more research on this interesting aspect of the JFK assassination related event?! Much of this from here. and: Quote:"Almost from the beginning, Congressman Boggs had been suspicious over the FBI and CIA's reluctance to provide hard information when the Commission's probe turned to certain areas, such as allegations that Oswald may have been an undercover operative of some sort. When the Commission sought to disprove the growing suspicion that Oswald had once worked for the FBI, Boggs was outraged that the only proof of denial that the FBI offered was a brief statement of disclaimer by J. Edgar Hoover. It was Hale Boggs who drew an admission from Allen Dulles that the CIA's record of employing someone like Oswald might be so heavily coded that the verification of his service would be almost impossible for outside investigators to establish." The Truth about the WC at Last - Drew Phipps - 16-06-2014 Thank you for the clarification, Tracy. The Truth about the WC at Last - Drew Phipps - 16-06-2014 Quote: "Hale always returned to one thing: 'Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission - on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the gun, you name it.'" Quote: Former Aide to Hale Boggs [size=12]Bob P. will be happy to know that he's on the right track. Anyone know who this "aide" was? [/SIZE] The Truth about the WC at Last - Albert Doyle - 16-06-2014 You can imagine a covert clean-up crew descending on the survivors and wreckage. Survivors who might have felt a feeling of relief upon seeing the rescuers approach might have also felt some quick bullets to the chest as the special team then collected their bodies and cleaned-up the scene. The wrecked aircraft also being cut up and transported or airlifted out at night to a black ops site and disposed of. The Truth about the WC at Last - Peter Lemkin - 16-06-2014 An older thread on the Boggs death here. |