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Explosion and Flash before Shots Fired - David Josephs - 10-09-2014
Simmons states the distances were 175, 240 & 265
Yet the FBI in WCD298 gives us 167, 262, & 307...
Oooops
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10699&relPageId=28
Explosion and Flash before Shots Fired - Drew Phipps - 10-09-2014
Intersting that the FBI selected a 2 second time interval between shot 2 and 3. What was the minimum time to load and fire again, according to Frazier? Wasn't that 2.3 seconds? .3 secs would add 5-6 feet to the distance.
I also wonder if 307 feet would get us to the Daltex Bldg. Its 307 - 265 = 42 extra feet
Explosion and Flash before Shots Fired - Chris Davidson - 10-09-2014
Hi David,
167/175 262/265
240 and 307 are the odd balls.
chris
Explosion and Flash before Shots Fired - Chris Davidson - 10-09-2014
Drew Phipps Wrote:Intersting that the FBI selected a 2 second time interval between shot 2 and 3. What was the minimum time to load and fire again, according to Frazier? Wasn't that 2.3 seconds? .3 secs would add 5-6 feet to the distance.
Drew,
Use a limo traveling at 3.74 mph circa extant 313 for your calculations.
chris
Explosion and Flash before Shots Fired - Chris Davidson - 10-09-2014
Once again,
A car traveling at 3.74 mph appears to travel at 7.48 mph (same distance discovered) when "every other frame is removed".
The frame rate does not matter.
But for a comparison, here is the "frame removal" scenario I just described.
This was shot on a Super 8 camera (18.3 fps). I do not know the original speed of the car, but it's slow.
Watch the speed difference in her arm wave also. Look familiar.
http://www.mejuba.com/albums/jfkass/112938/10921441/show/original
http://www.mejuba.com/albums/jfkass/112938/10921444/show/original
chris
P.S. It is not the only alteration that was implemented, just a part of it.
Explosion and Flash before Shots Fired - Michael Cross - 10-09-2014
Chris Davidson Wrote:Once again,Nice example. Super head snap et al.
A car traveling at 3.74 mph appears to travel at 7.48 mph (same distance discovered) when "every other frame is removed".
The frame rate does not matter.
But for a comparison, here is the "frame removal" scenario I just described.
This was shot on a Super 8 camera (18.3 fps). I do not know the original speed of the car, but it's slow.
Watch the speed difference in her arm wave also. Look familiar.
http://www.mejuba.com/albums/jfkass/112938/10921441/show/original
http://www.mejuba.com/albums/jfkass/112938/10921444/show/original
chris
P.S. It is not the only alteration that was implemented, just a part of it.
Explosion and Flash before Shots Fired - Chris Davidson - 11-09-2014
Itek does their study and determines the limo in Nix is moving at 7.6mph per every fourth frame (set of 4 frames), for a total of 12 frames prior to extant 313.
If, at some point, I extract every other frame at 3.74 mph, the limo now appears to travel at 7.48 mph. See previous posting.
Understand the significance?
chris
Explosion and Flash before Shots Fired - Dawn Meredith - 22-09-2014
I would like to see evidence - witness recounting- of such an occurrence. Tons of reports of gun shots heard or what some called back firing sounds but I have never seen a single report of anyone hearing an explosion or a flash.
Most curious.
Dawn
Explosion and Flash before Shots Fired - Michael Cross - 22-09-2014
Dawn Meredith Wrote:I would like to see evidence - witness recounting- of such an occurrence. Tons of reports of gun shots heard or what some called back firing sounds but I have never seen a single report of anyone hearing an explosion or a flash.
Most curious.
Dawn
He posted the paper over at Burnham's forum.
IMO it's largely a semantic argument. The timing is still the "firecracker" report any way you look at it, and referred to as such in the paper.
Explosion and Flash before Shots Fired - Gordon Gray - 23-09-2014
Michael Cross Wrote:I agree semantics. A firecracker or firecrackers, a cannon salute, a back fire, a bomb, or a muzzle blast, can all be termed explosions but none sound similar. Most described a firecracker/firecrackers, or a back fire. Vey different from a terrifying roar, a cannon, or a big bomb.Dawn Meredith Wrote:I would like to see evidence - witness recounting- of such an occurrence. Tons of reports of gun shots heard or what some called back firing sounds but I have never seen a single report of anyone hearing an explosion or a flash.
Most curious.
Dawn
He posted the paper over at Burnham's forum.
IMO it's largely a semantic argument. The timing is still the "firecracker" report any way you look at it, and referred to as such in the paper.