Jan Klimkowski Wrote:David - you and I have discussed this subject on several occasions. Never enough though! :creep:

I agree that UFOs are both:

Quote:a psyop (that) had as its it goal the cloaking of the acquisition and testing of advanced nazi technology by the US.

and

Quote:the propagation of a new cult or religion that has as its target the collective manipulation of our minds.

In other words, UFOs inhabit that most dangerous of Zones: a psyop based on a genuine but hugely misunderstood and largely unknown reality.

The involvement of the likes of Fred Crisman (friend of both Clay Shaw and Michael Riconosciuto) and Guy Banister (one of Oswald's handlers?) in promoting the original post-WW2 UFO myth is intriguing and points at its deep black origins.

By far the most fascinating plan that They may have in mind for us, when financial or nuclear or climatic armageddon occurs, is that a digital Orson Welles intones from beyond the grave that the little gray aliens of Crowley, the Aviary and Agent Mulder have invaded Planet Earth.

And as Their first psyop trick, the archetypal grays may scare us witless with an alien weapon....

Of course that alien weapon will most likely be a Tesla weapon, via Paperclip....

:elefant:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Prof John Mack, like CB Scott Jones, was a member of the deep black intelligence group, the Aviary.

The Aviary exists where psyops meet the Other....

Jan,

I was not aware of Dr. Mack's affiliation -- real or alleged -- with the Aviary, yet a bell faintly rings.

At the risk of coming on like the spawn of "Frank Gerhardt" -- Do you have specific cites?

Is Mack's death in Britain more likely an accident or executive action?

In the meantime, I'll check Lavenda.

See David's post #6 in this thread. I'm pretty sure I've posted Aviary-related material on the EF but can't currently find it.

They were rumbled by, um, a very well connected journalist named Armen Victorian who then withdrew from the field because of death threats.

Or perhaps non lethal near death threats made through a viewer remotely.... and darkly..... lug:

Robin Ramsay's Lobster was involved to some extent. As, tangentially, was David Guyatt and our old mucker, the architect and EM weapons victim Harlan Girard.

When I was trying to break the remote viewing story back in the mid-90s at the BBC, I mentioned Dr Jack Verona (Raven in the Aviary) and Dr Christopher Green (Bluejay) to my source, and was cut off.

The Aviary had strong links with Laurance Rockefeller. They were a very strange psyop group, containing visionary thinkers of absolute ruthlessness.

Charles Drago Wrote:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:David - you and I have discussed this subject on several occasions. Never enough though!

I agree that UFOs are both:

Quote:a psyop (that) had as its it goal the cloaking of the acquisition and testing of advanced nazi technology by the US.

and

Quote:the propagation of a new cult or religion that has as its target the collective manipulation of our minds.

Jan and David,

I concur with the above and with the balance of Jan's hypothesis, but would suggest the likelihood that UFO and related abduction phenomena in part may be attributed to a third and far more mysterious reality.

Are you familiar with the related work of Dr. Dean Radin and the late Dr. John Mack -- and, sans apologies, with Graham Hancock's Supernatural?

In an absurdly tiny nutshell: The space alien hypothesis is a pitifully inadequate explanation of UFO reality in light of advances in physics, brain science, archaeology and anthropology, and the exponential growth of the database of cross-cultural and cross-epochal experiences with "other-worldly" life forms.

None of which, by the way, diminishes the logic of your argument that, like so many other aspects of deep human experience, this sort of high strangeness is being exploited by all-too-human masters of perception.

Kate Story Wrote:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Kate - re the weaponisation of Tesla technology, have you read the provocative work of Joseph P Farrell?

Jan,
No, but I certainly would be interested. I went to scribd.com and typed in Joseph P Farrell and Tesla in the search window and there are several items listed.

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:

Kate Story Wrote:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Kate - re the weaponisation of Tesla technology, have you read the provocative work of Joseph P Farrell?

Jan,
No, but I certainly would be interested. I went to scribd.com and typed in Joseph P Farrell and Tesla in the search window and there are several items listed.

Kate - all of Joseph Farrell's work is challenging.

However, his books which are most relevant to the subject matter of this thread are:

Reich of the Black Sun: Nazi Secret Weapons & the Cold War Allied Legend

The SS Brotherhood of the Bell.

David Guyatt Wrote:On the UFO subject I would also highly recommend Jacques Vallee's "Passport to Magonia" because it opens up for consideration the "other" dimensions that surround this subject.

Kate Story Wrote:

David Guyatt Wrote:On the UFO subject I would also highly recommend Jacques Vallee's "Passport to Magonia" because it opens up for consideration the "other" dimensions that surround this subject.

I found this one on scribd.com also! Thanks.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8652147/Passport-to-Magonia-On-UFOs-Folklore-and-Parallel-Worlds