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Help Needed - Drew Phipps - 08-01-2016
Sure. A second wound track pretty much destroys the "pristine bullet" theory. The more wound tracks you find, the more likely you have some sort of frangible bullet, which means either specialty ammo or a second type of rifle.
Would be a good opportunity for a knowledgeable physician to chime in here and tell us how many holes in the pleural membranes are required to account for: a pneumothorax severe enough to deviate the trachea during the short ride to Trauma 1, air in the mediastinum, and a tear in the trachea.
Help Needed - Bob Prudhomme - 08-01-2016
Drew Phipps Wrote:Sure. A second wound track pretty much destroys the "pristine bullet" theory. The more wound tracks you find, the more likely you have some sort of frangible bullet, which means either specialty ammo or a second type of rifle.
Would be a good opportunity for a knowledgeable physician to chime in here and tell us how many holes in the pleural membranes are required to account for: a pneumothorax severe enough to deviate the trachea during the short ride to Trauma 1, air in the mediastinum, and a tear in the trachea.
It amazes me that any doctor reading this thread, or any of the medical evidence pertaining to JFK, has not responded here in utter disbelief at the outright and obvious nonsense that we were fed by the WC regarding JFK's wounds.
I have come to learn, not that long ago, that positive pressure assisted ventilation could very quickly introduce enough air into the pleural cavity to induce a pneumothorax, especially if it had a head start on the ride to Parkland.
Help Needed - Drew Phipps - 08-01-2016
Also there's this, which doesn't seem to match up with everything else:
"Both the visceral and parietal pleura are intact overlying these areas of trauma."
Don't see how that is possible if there's air leaking out.
Help Needed - Bob Prudhomme - 10-01-2016
Drew Phipps Wrote:Also there's this, which doesn't seem to match up with everything else:
"Both the visceral and parietal pleura are intact overlying these areas of trauma."
Don't see how that is possible if there's air leaking out.
Well, they also stated there was an entrance wound in JFK's back at the level of the juncture of the C7/T1 vertebrae, not lower down at the level of the T3 vertebra, as many witnesses reported.
Humes was attempting to establish as fact the complete fantasy that a bullet, passing through nothing but flesh at the level of C7/T1, would create a large enough shock wave to inflict a fist sized hematoma in the apex of JFK's right lung.
If the entrance wound was at T3, there had to be at least one hole in the pleural membranes. While this would have likely meant JFK had an "open" pneumothorax on the way to Parkland (unless the wound tended to self-seal, as some very clean bullet wounds have been known to do), laying JFK on his back on the cart in Trauma Room One likely guaranteed this wound sealed itself off, and a tension pneumothorax began.
While it is not known how long assisted ventilation with positive pressure oxygen was carried on, we do know that, despite the wound in the trachea, enough air made it past the trachea wound for breath sounds to be heard in the lungs through auscultation by stethoscope. If we can assume that positive pressure ventilation was begun as soon as JFK was on the ER cart, and carried on until intubation was begun and right up until the tracheotomy was performed, a sizeable amount of oxygen would have been introduced into JFK's right pleural cavity; more than enough volume to fill that cavity and induce a tension pneumothorax.
Help Needed - Bob Prudhomme - 10-01-2016
David Josephs Wrote:ok... now I get it.
O'Connor claims they removed a bullet from the right intercostal muscles which had gone in and down to the right.
I can't seem to get it to upload but if you google O'Connor, Probe, Vol 8 #3 Nov 2004 it's on page 49.
The entire article is amazing... i think it's also at ctka.net in the archived issues.
But he also says none of the removed organs had bullet holes or bullets in them.
I think you're reinforcing the idea that the back wound was real, did range downward and did not exit.
The FBI/SS says there was also another bullet lodged behind his ear and we know about the two CE399 deliveries.
So when nay sayers ask where all the bullets are... they're right where they were supposed to be.
DJ
As this diagram shows, the intercostal muscles, connecting the ribs to each other, are no thicker than the ribs themselves.
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Therefore, I am puzzled when O'Connor states a bullet was removed from the right intercostal muscles, yet this same bullet "had gone in and down to the right".
In where? Down where? As the intercostal muscles are, perhaps, 3/4" thick at their thickest, for this bullet to go "in and down to the right" tells me this bullet was no longer in the intercostal muscle and somewhere in the pleural cavity instead. Find one of your own ribs, place your fingers on it and think about this. On the other side of that thin rib are very thin pleural membranes. On the other side of those membranes are your lungs.
Once again, this is an example of the smoke screen laid down by the conspirators. The "shallow" back wound is a perennial favourite, as the less enlightened amongst us refer to it as obvious proof the Single Bullet Theory never occurred, never once considering the source of the "shallow" back wound, and the fact it conceals much deeper and darker secrets.