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The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 29-01-2010 Circus performers always rehearse their act in front of mirrors Helen. : How else would they know if their light-reflecting costumes bunched into their lower orifice? dontknow: The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Jan Klimkowski - 29-01-2010 Helen Reyes Wrote:The only slightly not simple question I saw posed to Blair today was when Chilicot said "You went to war based on Iraq's non-compliance with weapons insepctions while at the same time Hans Blix was not saying they were uncompliant." I have not seen a full transcript yet. With that caveat, the bits I heard on the radio as I was driving today appeared to be a complete farce, a travesty. Much of the "questioning" seemed to consist of "Inquiry" members summarizing a chronology and then asking Blair whether he agreed with their summary. What a joke. Here are some initial observations: Quote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/29/tony-blair-iraq-inquiry-key-points Did the so-called Iraq Inquiry ask Blair what Saddam had to do with 9/11? Did they ask him whether there was any link between Saddam and Al-Qaeda prior to 9/11? Did they ask him whether WMD were used during 9/11? I don't believe so. (NB again I haven't seen a full transcript yet.) Quote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/29/tony-blair-iraq-inquiry-key-points Did the so-called Iraq Inquiry push him on why he didn't correct the false 45-minute claim at the time? Did they ask him whether this WMD claim referred to chemical weapons rather than nuclear and biological weapons? Did they ask him who provided Saddam with the precursors needed for chemical weapons? Did they ask him whether chemical weapons constituted WMD as commonly understood? I don't believe so. (NB again I haven't seen a full transcript yet.) Politicians, especially government ministers, will routinely insist on corrections of what they consider to be factual misinterpretations by the media. Blair and Campbell's refusal to ask for a correction of the 45-minute claim reveals their true, insidious, corrupt, intention. The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 30-01-2010 ... The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 31-01-2010 Fingers crossed.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247407/Chilcot-War-Inquiry-Professor-launch-Nuremberg-war-crimes-prosecution-Blair.html [quote]Chilcot War Inquiry: Professor to launch 'Nuremberg' war crimes prosecution against Blair By Glen Owen Last updated at 11:14 PM on 30th January 2010 ![]() Plans to bring a war crimes prosecution against Tony Blair based on last week’s bombshell evidence to the Chilcot Inquiry have been launched by a leading law professor. The move could see Mr Blair follow former Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic into a dock in The Hague. Professor Bill Bowring says the revelation that the Government rejected Foreign Office warnings not to invade Iraq means there is a good chance Mr Blair can be ‘investigated, at the very least’ for war crimes. ‘We now know that the Government was explicitly warned beforehand that the UK risked being prosecuted for going to war,’ said Prof Bowring. Professor Bowring has launched plans to bring a war crimes prosecution against Tony Blair He says that he will deploy the same law used to convict the killers of Garry Newlove, the Cheshire father of three kicked to death in front of his family in 2007, and Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials in 1945-46. He is drafting a submission to the International Criminal Court (ICC) arguing that Mr Blair is guilty under the law of ‘joint enterprise’, which holds people responsible for the actions of a wider group if they know they are involved in criminal enterprises. It means the former Prime Minister would be liable for any crimes committed by US forces, such as disproportionate bombing. On Tuesday, Sir Michael Wood, the chief legal adviser to the Foreign Office from 2001 to 2006, said he warned the then Foreign Secretary Jack Straw that invading Iraq without UN backing would ‘amount to the crime of aggression’ and could lead to the prosecution of British soldiers and politicians. Mr Straw rejected the warning. Prof Bowring said the April 2002 meeting between Mr Blair and George Bush at the President’s Texas ranch, described as the moment the agreement to invade was ‘signed in blood’, would be critical in the case. ‘Joint enterprise’ was used to convict the killers of Mr Newlove in 2008. Though one kick killed Mr Newlove, three men were convicted of his murder because they were aware they were engaged in joint criminality. The ICC’s chief prosecutor has said that he could ‘envisage’ a situation in which Mr Blair found himself in the dock. An ICC spokeswoman said that the mandate of the chief prosecutor’s office covered the conduct of Allied forces in the war, but would not comment on Prof Bowring’s specific legal argument. The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Peter Presland - 31-01-2010 David Guyatt Wrote:Fingers crossed....Yep - I'll go along with that. OTOH - this from Alan Hart: Quote:Putting Tony Blair on trial would be much too cruel. The man is ill, delusional, quite possibly to the point of madness. What he needs most of all is psychiatric help. Any doubts I might have had about that diagnosis were removed by his six-hour presentation to the Chilcot Inquiry of his reasons for joining the neo-conned “Dubya” Bush in the war on Iraq.Also a couple more pics which lightened the gloom a little: The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 31-01-2010 This is excellent news. I do have my fingers crodssed. There is another professor of law in the US who has taken out international arrest warrants for Bush, Chaney, Rice et al. It will be a great day to see their no longer smirking faces in the dock. More of a chance with Blair because I don't think the US signed up for the ICC though they forced every one else to sign up. I wonder if he will meet the same end as Milosevic in his cell? The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 31-01-2010 Tony Blair Iraq inquiry evidence ludicrous, says Short Clare Short said Gordon Brown was marginalised by Tony BlairThe argument put forward by Tony Blair in his evidence to the Iraq inquiry was "ludicrous", former cabinet minister Clare Short has said. It was wrong to suggest, after the 11 September attacks, that al-Qaeda would team up with "rogue states". Gordon Brown, then Chancellor, was "marginalised" when the decision to go to war was made, Ms Short said. Ms Short resigned as International Development Secretary shortly after the invasion of Iraq in early 2003. Former Prime Minister Mr Blair spent six hours giving evidence to the Iraq inquiry in Friday. 'No such threat' He said Saddam had been a "monster and I believe he threatened not just the region but the world." Mr Blair also stressed the British and American attitude towards the threat posed by Saddam Hussein "changed dramatically" after the terror attacks on 11 September 2001, saying: "I never regarded 11 September as an attack on America, I regarded it as an attack on us." Speaking on BBC One's Andrew Marr Show, Ms Short described Mr Blair as "preachy", adding: "There was no link at the time between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. So there was no such threat." Asked about Mr Brown's role in the decision to go to war, she said: "Gordon was marginalised and not in the inner group." She added that "they [Mr Blair and his supporters] wanted him out of the Treasury... and they were going to offer him the Foreign Office and that he wouldn't accept it." Ms Short is to give evidence to the Iraq inquiry on Tuesday. Mr Brown has said he will do the same before the general election, which is expected to take place on 6 May. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8489797.stm The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 01-02-2010 Bliar caught telling porkies again? Regime change was always the plan - before 911. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/plan-to-oust-saddam-drawn-up-two-years-before-the-invasion-1885155.html Quote:Plan to oust Saddam drawn up two years before the invasion The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 04-02-2010 From Wikipedia. From the memory hole. Have they ever released the cabinet discussion documents and the legal advice documents? Katharine Teresa Gun (born Katharine Teresa Harwood in 1974) is a former translator for Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), a British intelligence agency. In 2003, she became publicly known for leaking top-secret information to the press concerning illegal activities by the United States of America in their push for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Gun, who was raised in Taiwan, worked as a Mandarin Chinese-to-English translator for GCHQ. On 31 January 2003, she received an e-mail from a USA National Security Agency official named Frank Koza. This email requested aid in a secret and illegal operation to bug the United Nations offices of six nations: Angola, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile, Guinea, and Pakistan. These were the six "swing nations" on the UN Security Council that could determine whether the UN approved the invasion of Iraq. The plan allegedly violated the Vienna Conventions, which regulate global diplomacy. Gun admitted leaking the email to The Observer but said she did it "with a clear conscience", hoping to prevent the war. "I have no regrets and I would do it again", she said. In a BBC interview with Jeremy Paxman, she admitted that she had not raised the matter with staff counsellors as she "honestly didn't think that would have had any practical effect."[1] After her revelation, GCHQ terminated her employment. On 13 November 2003, Gun was charged with an offence under section 1 of the Official Secrets Act 1989. Her case became a cause célèbre among activists, and many people stepped forward to urge the government to drop the case. Among them were the Reverend Jesse Jackson, Daniel Ellsberg (the US government official who leaked the Pentagon Papers), and actor Sean Penn, who described her as "a hero of the human spirit". Gun planned to plead "not guilty", saying in her defence that she acted to prevent imminent loss of life in a war she considered illegal. The case came to court on 25 February 2004. Within half an hour, the case was dropped because the prosecution declined to offer evidence. The reasons for the prosecution dropping the case are unclear. The day before the trial, Gun's defence team had asked the government for any records of advice about the legality of the war that it had received during the run-up to the war. A full trial might have exposed any such documents to public scrutiny as the defence were expected to argue that trying to stop an illegal act (that of an illegal war of aggression) trumped Gun's obligations under the Official Secrets Act. Speculation was rife in the media that the prosecution service had bowed to political pressure to drop the case so that any such documents would remain secret. However, a Government spokesman said that the decision to drop the case had been made before the defence's demands had been submitted. The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Peter Lemkin - 04-02-2010 Wow! I do love the Circus!....especially the clowns! I do hope Professor Bowring doesn't have an 'accident' or suddenly commit 'suicide' or die of 'natural' causes. There are very powerful forces protecting Tony the Phony! Bring on the trapeze artists! And, can we please have a 'Professor Bowring' stand up in the USA!..but most are cowards there now...due to the unPatriot Act and our Gestapo. |