David Guyatt Wrote:I forget whether I knew or not about the money issue. I think I probably did and that this formed part of Dick's story to me. It was almost 40 years ago now...

Quote:In 1972, Williams had a falling-out with the Shah family. It has been reported that the late producer Omar Shah was conducting unscrupulous business practices for his own gain.

Helen Reyes Wrote:

David Guyatt Wrote:I have been interested in the Black Madonnas of Southern France for some time and the Egyptian connection you speak of Helen, may well connect to the centre of Gypsy faith at the fortified church of Notre Dame de la Mer in the Carmargue.

It's a very plain, masonry church I saw on some Templar special on Discovery or National Geographic once. It should be in the west of Luangedoc somewhere. The bay you mention is where the Cathars say Jesus and Mary reached France by boat.



The last word in Gypsy research I heard put them as natives of Punjab or somewhere in modern India (Rajastan?), but I have to wonder:

LOC Country Studies Afghanistan - Chapter 2 The Society and Environment - Ethnic Groups - Other Groups - Jat

Quote:Afghanistan
Jat

There are other small marginal communities of occupational specialists based in eastern Afghanistan in provinces such as Laghman. They are commonly referred to as Jat which is a generic term indiscriminately applied by others with derogatory connotations implying low descent and low occupations. The groups reject the term and refer to themselves by specific names. Of Mediterranean-Indian type physically, speaking Indo-Aryan dialects in addition to Pashto and Dari, they are primarily gypsy-like itinerant petty traders, bangle sellers, fortune-tellers, musicians, jugglers, snake-charmers and performers with animals such as bears and monkeys. Some are specialized craftsmen, working as weavers, potters, sievemakers, knife-makers, and leather-workers. Some hire out as seasonal itinerant farm laborers. They rank lowest on the social scale and are stigmatized by many in the society.

Data as of 1997

David Guyatt Wrote:It is indeed most interest that Himmler's personal wizard, Nazi Satanist Karl Maria Wiligut claimed to be the King of the Gypsies and used to attend the annual gatherings linked above and was, apparently, well known at them.

Hmm. Two points: "King of the Gypsies" is a title held by mutiple people simultaneously, it refers to the leader of a single band or group, traditionally. The other is the notion that Gypsies were inhabitants for a time in Agartha, and Fred Crisman's association with them, and early alien contact reports and MIBs describing swarthy Gypsy-type men.

Magda Hassan Wrote:Linguistically they trace back to present day north west India/Pakistan possibly from the Jat people as the two groups share a hereditary disease related to glaucoma.

Latcho Drom - the story of Gypsy migration as filmed by a Gypsy told in music and dance:

David Guyatt Wrote:Thanks again Helen, especially for the links. I had no idea that Gandhi was a big fan of Adolph. How surprising.

Keith Millea Wrote:Helen,
My Theosophical trail led me in the direction of Alice A Bailey.I see that she is quite controversial these days also.I guess she and Annie Besant weren't the best of friends,but apparently Bailey had a higher regard for Leadbeater.:dontknow:

Wondering if you have any take on Alice Bailey.I realise that she and her work have been characterized as a product of the NWO.I'll link to her Wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey

Thanks

Quote:The language of the note given above embodied many little points which had a meaning for us. All through, it bore indirect reference to the conversation that had taken place at our dinner-table the previous evening. I had been talking of the little traces here and there which the long letters from Koot Hoomi bore, showing in spite of their splendid mastery over the language and the vigour of their style, a turn or two of expression that an Englishman would not have made use of; for example, in the form of address, which in the two letters already quoted had been tinged with Orientalism. "But what should he have written?" somebody asked, and I had said, "under similar circumstances an Englishman would probably have written simply: "My dear Brother." Then the allusion to the Kashmir Valley as the place from which
the letter was written, instead of from a Lodge, was au allusion to the same conversation; and the underlining of the "k" was another, as Madame Blavatsky had been saying that Koot Hoomi's spelling of "Scepticism" with a "k" was not an Americanism in his case, but due to a philological whim of his.