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Israel has attacked Gaza Flotilla (dead and wounded) - Magda Hassan - 31-05-2010 That could be interesting. A Turkish ship in international waters, and Turkey being a NATO member, attacked by Israel. Turkey declares war. NATO forced to go along as required under it own terms. Just can't see it happening some how. Israel has attacked Gaza Flotilla (dead and wounded) - Magda Hassan - 31-05-2010
Israel has attacked Gaza Flotilla (dead and wounded) - Paul Rigby - 31-05-2010 Ed Jewett Wrote:Israeli commandos open fire after being attacked with axes & knives by Gaza flotilla "peace activists" Another pro-Israeli site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10195997.stm Puke-inducing commentary and interchange, but entirely typical of at least one participant, Jonathan Charles. To think we have to pay for this stuff. Israel has attacked Gaza Flotilla (dead and wounded) - Peter Presland - 31-05-2010 Magda Hassan Wrote:That could be interesting. A Turkish ship in international waters, and Turkey being a NATO member, attacked by Israel. Turkey declares war. NATO forced to go along as required under it own terms. Just can't see it happening some how. Well consider this from Israeli government mouthpiece Debka File then: Quote:debkafile's military sources report Israeli concerns that Turkey may not confine itself to strong diplomatic retaliation for the Israel Navy's seizure Monday, May 31, of the Marmora, the Turkish vessel leading the flotilla for breaking the Gaza blockade and resort to military action along with the Iranian-backed Hizballah and Hamas. A statement from Ankara threatened "unprecedented and incalculable" reprisals, following which the Turkish chief of staff Gen. Ilker Basbug was recalled urgently to Ankara from a visit to Egypt. Greece has since halted its joint exercise with Israel in protest against the naval action.Also, note the Orwellian inversion - delivered with a grave straight face no doubt: Quote:Israeli army spokesman, Col. Avi Beneyahu, called the incident "an act of terror on the high seas." You simply could not make this stuff up could you? This could get dangerous quickly - and so of course it damned well should for Zionist Israel. Israel has attacked Gaza Flotilla (dead and wounded) - Magda Hassan - 31-05-2010 Apparently, the ships are being taken to Haifa by the IDF, not Ashdod, to avoid publicity. Israel has attacked Gaza Flotilla (dead and wounded) - Magda Hassan - 31-05-2010 Nice clear and strong piece by Lenin's Tomb. My bolding. Quote: The reason for the slaughter of the Free Gaza activists posted by lenin Israel has attacked Gaza Flotilla (dead and wounded) - Jan Klimkowski - 31-05-2010 Quote:Turkish PM: Aid ship raid is Israeli state terrorismhttp://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3896926,00.html Correct. But how far is Turkey prepared to go? The geopolitical wildcard is Iran. Presumably the Turkish PM could refuse to allow American, NATO and Israeli aircraft to use Turkish airspace in any attack on Iran, but the Israelis would probably fly directly across Iraqi airspace. Regardless of what the sovereign Iraqi government thinks. The UN security council is meeting in emergency session later today, but America and Britain will likely veto any resolution condemning the Israeli slaughter of the peaceniks. I also note that the Israeli spin doctors - military and political - keep on claiming their commandoes were about to be "lynched". The word "lynch" has a very specific meaning. I've yet to see any evidence to support this repeated Israeli claim. Israel has attacked Gaza Flotilla (dead and wounded) - Peter Lemkin - 31-05-2010 Politically lynched....maybe....actually lynched....not a chance....:bebored: But Propaganda is all about the spin and lie to divert the viewers attention and thoughts from the facts...to the invented scenario....the magician's [or intelligence apparatchik's ] slight 'o hand and diversion of attention from the real acts to the phony ones. Israel has attacked Gaza Flotilla (dead and wounded) - Keith Millea - 31-05-2010 Motherfuckers Israel has attacked Gaza Flotilla (dead and wounded) - Myra Bronstein - 31-05-2010 Magda Hassan Wrote:That could be interesting. A Turkish ship in international waters, and Turkey being a NATO member, attacked by Israel. Turkey declares war. NATO forced to go along as required under it own terms. Just can't see it happening some how. Daily Kos has a good thread on this scenario. Update added recently. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/31/871525/-Israels-attack-tests-NATO-Doctrine. "Israel's attack tests NATO Doctrine. [Update] NATO agrees by 8ackgr0und N015e Share this on Twitter - Israel's attack tests NATO Doctrine. [Update] NATO agrees Sun May 30, 2010 at 10:37:32 PM PDT Israel's attack on the MV Blue Mamara, a Turkish vessel, means they just attacked a member of NATO. According to the NATO Charter, Article 5 The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. If you think there is wiggle room in that definition, you would be mistaken. Article 6 is explicit about where attacks will trigger responses. Vessels in the Mediterranean Sea are mentioned explicitly. Article 6 (1) For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack: on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France (2), on the territory of or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer; on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer. (1) The definition of the territories to which Article 5 applies was revised by Article 2 of the Protocol to the North Atlantic Treaty on the accession of Greece and Turkey signed on 22 October 1951. (2) On January 16, 1963, the North Atlantic Council noted that insofar as the former Algerian Departments of France were concerned, the relevant clauses of this Treaty had become inapplicable as from July 3, 1962. If the former Soviet Union had attacked a NATO vessel in the Mediterranean, we know what would have happened. Of course, that never happened for obvious reasons. In fact, Article 5 was never invoked until the attack on the WTC and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001. After 9/11, the US invoked Article 5 for the first time in the history of NATO. That's why NATO forces are still in Afghanistan. Attacking vessels on the high seas is not the sort of thing people ignore. When the PLO boarded a vessel (the Achille Lauro) and took it over, killing one of the passengers (Leon Klinghoffer), the UN responded by redefining piracy. Nations cannot be guilty of piracy -- by definition. However, this certainly seems to be a criminal act at a minimum. Some might even consider it an act of war. The question now is whether an Israeli attack on the MV Blue Mamara, a Turkish vessel, and thus a vessel of a NATO member, in the Mediterranean Sea leads Turkey to invoke its rights under Article 5 of the NATO Treaty. The US media is very slow to cover this early on, while Europe and even Ha'aretz is giving this front page coverage. I wonder if Rahm is still in Israel? This certainly has the potential to develop into an ugly confrontation." UPDATE This is no longer an academic discussion. According to the Economic Times: NATO will hold emergency talks on Tuesday at Turkey's behest after the deadly Israeli raid on a flotilla of aid-carrying ships bound for Gaza
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