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What if the Zapruder film is authentic? - Peter Dawson - 21-09-2010
Albert Doyle Wrote:Nix shows ejecta exiting the rear near the Parkland rear wound.
I can only find either slow motion or enlarged versions of the Nix film, not slo-mo and enlarged, but could what you're referring to actually be the backwards movement of the whole of Kennedy's head, and not ejecta?
What if the Zapruder film is authentic? - Peter Dawson - 21-09-2010
Charles Drago Wrote:Conspiracy is proven absent the Z-film, is it not?
Excluding the possibility of fakery, that's the conclusion I've arrived at.
Quote:
The Z-film is a weapon of mass distraction.
It was allowed to see the light of day so as to become a major tactical component in the strategy to maximize post-event cognitive dissonance, which in turn is a dominant component in the overarching effort not to eliminate doubt, but rather to preserve doubt.
About everything.
...
The last thing the conspirators desire is universal acceptance of the LN lie.
Certainty is the enemy of the conspirators, whose goals far transcend the elimination of JFK
That sounds about right. Except I can't figure out what "LN" stands for. What does LN stand for?
What if the Zapruder film is authentic? - Magda Hassan - 21-09-2010
LN = Lone Nut or Lone Nutters. As in the Lone Nut theory that Oswald was a lone nut (and Jack Ruby was another lone nut in the same event) and the people who believe this theory are the lone nutters.
What if the Zapruder film is authentic? - Peter Dawson - 21-09-2010
Magda Hassan Wrote:LN = Lone Nut or Lone Nutters. As in the Lone Nut theory that Oswald was a lone nut (and Jack Ruby was another lone nut in the same event) and the people who believe this theory are the lone nutters.
Ah! Thanks Magda, I knew it would be something obvious, but my acronym decoder wasn't cooperating for the entire day today.
What if the Zapruder film is authentic? - Albert Doyle - 21-09-2010
Peter Dawson Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:Nix shows ejecta exiting the rear near the Parkland rear wound.
I can only find either slow motion or enlarged versions of the Nix film, not slo-mo and enlarged, but could what you're referring to actually be the backwards movement of the whole of Kennedy's head, and not ejecta?
There was a post on Lancer 2 years ago or so showing a slow-motion enhanced version of Nix that clearly shows a stream of some kind of material exiting the rear of Kennedy's head. To me what it shows is that Kennedy's head exploded open from one shot. Most likely from the rear.
I think CTer's tend to operate in a dogmatic fashion where you have to accept all CT theories and reject any possible alternate CT theory that has even a hint of validating any aspect of the LN theory. For instance it is very possible the rear wound at Parkland was from the head exploding open - including the rear occipital wound. I have trouble thinking CIA grabbed Zapruder's film and managed to fake the gory skull flap flesh wound. Think to yourself in the limited time they had how they would create such a bloody and meaty wound that was corroborated by witnesses? The exiting spurt seen in Nix conclusively happens at the same time as the exiting spurt from the skull flap wound. In other words it is very likely the same wound.
What if the Zapruder film is authentic? - Peter Lemkin - 21-09-2010
Quote: I have trouble thinking CIA grabbed Zapruder's film and managed to fake the gory skull flap flesh wound.
I have trouble believing your niavte....and stop thinking 'CIA' for faking the wound - others did that. The whole op was much bigger than 'that'...they [CIA] were just one of the MANY groupings [individuals during; larger groupings to whole institutions after] in on it. I really think you're in the wrong forum...but that is strictly my own subjective opinion. You seem not to want to read any of the materials offered that show [proof positive, as far as I'm concerned....and I've worked on this case for over 35 years - some others here like Jack White and others MUCH longer]. The film has been faked - EVERYTHING that day and following was faked - and you are either falling for it hook line and sinker....or trying to post doubt on the Forum for doubt sake, as a psyop. IMHO
What about the CIA's past - from the murders, covert ops, lies, drug dealing, bankster ops, off the shelf ops, government overthrows, faked documents, precipitating wars, torture training and torture, other assassinations up the 'yazoo', illegal arms deals, propaganda lies and self-admitted control of the mainstream media, thefts, dirty-tricks, mind control, and generally taking away freedom, liberty and justice from the many and working for the few Oligarchs - makes you think they couldn't, wouldn't and didn't [as has been documented and spelled out in details you refuse to read!] doctor that film - and so much else of our history, who lives and who dies, what countries stand and which fall, who gets rich and who poor, what propaganda gets out and what truth is suppressed, etc. ?! Why doctoring a film of someone many in the Company [or who were just fired from - at that time] would have been the LEAST of the kinds of dirt they have done and continue to do as I type.
What if the Zapruder film is authentic? - Albert Doyle - 21-09-2010
I've noticed a trend of very strict dogma in CT forums where CTer's preserve a strict dogma of strict CT theory and don't allow any other possibilities. It's my opinion that that actually weakens the CT case. I'm very much a conspiracy believer, so hinting that maybe someone "doesn't belong on this site" is very offensive to me. I've done enough homework to at least make a case for what I'm saying. I feel CTer's have a tendency to try to escalate the discussion into this us vs them too soon in order to avoid addressing unwanted subjects.
Again, I see no one addressed my point that the witness who testified he distinctly heard a "melon smashing sound" corroborated the skull flap head wound. What that man heard was the dull thud of the blood burst shown in Zapruder. That is the sound such an explosive brain material event makes. I'm just trying to keep this discussion real and hold CTer's to the same level of honest evidence they hold LNer's to.
If you knew me personally, the accusation of my being a psy-ops disinfo spook would be a serious travesty. If we don't escalate, and stick to just the simple facts, the melon sound corroborates the skull flap wound seen in Zapruder. And that witness experiencing that sound live and telling of it is something out of the control of any alterers.
Before suggesting I don't belong on this forum I suggest answering the point. With the technology available at the time how did the alterers create the gory, meaty flesh wound seen in Zapruder?
What if the Zapruder film is authentic? - Jack White - 21-09-2010
Albert Doyle Wrote:I've noticed a trend of very strict dogma in CT forums where CTer's preserve a strict dogma of strict CT theory and don't allow any other possibilities. It's my opinion that that actually weakens the CT case. I'm very much a conspiracy believer, so hinting that maybe someone "doesn't belong on this site" is very offensive to me. I've done enough homework to at least make a case for what I'm saying. I feel CTer's have a tendency to try to escalate the discussion into this us vs them too soon in order to avoid addressing unwanted subjects.
Again, I see no one addressed my point that the witness who testified he distinctly heard a "melon smashing sound" corroborated the skull flap head wound. What that man heard was the dull thud of the blood burst shown in Zapruder. That is the sound such an explosive brain material event makes. I'm just trying to keep this discussion real and hold CTer's to the same level of honest evidence they hold LNer's to.
If you knew me personally, the accusation of my being a psy-ops disinfo spook would be a serious travesty. If we don't escalate, and stick to just the simple facts, the melon sound corroborates the skull flap wound seen in Zapruder. And that witness experiencing that sound live and telling of it is something out of the control of any alterers.
Before suggesting I don't belong on this forum I suggest answering the point. With the technology available at the time how did the alterers create the gory, meaty flesh wound seen in Zapruder?
It is not a CT THEORY that the Zfilm is fraudulent. If you
think it is a "theory", you have not studied the FACTS.
Jack
What if the Zapruder film is authentic? - Albert Doyle - 21-09-2010
Jack White Wrote:It is not a CT THEORY that the Zfilm is fraudulent. If you
think it is a "theory", you have not studied the FACTS.
Jack
I'm new to this forum and not familiar with the way it operates. But, in any case, with all due respect I believe I've asked some valid questions that haven't been answered. I believe they are fair questions.
I'm not arguing the Zapruder film isn't altered, it probably is. Never the less there could be parts of it that are real enough and corroborated by real witnessing to reasonably hold as credible representation.
With due respect I believe these answers are too generalized to adequately address the points I've made. For instance when 3 films show the same burst it makes that burst more credible. And I find it unlikely the forgers would think to show the skull pieces flying away in 313. Those pieces were later found in areas where the Zapruder Film showed them flying off to. Honestly, I don't think it is a heretical offense to suggest this. Nor do answers that the film is altered adequately address these points.
What if the Zapruder film is authentic? - Phil Dragoo - 21-09-2010
The Shadow gestures hypnotically, and the Parkland personnel observe only a wound of entrance in the throat, and an avuncular wound in the occipital--the flap is cloaked in invisibility.
Charles, your observation that the ends of the conspirators far transcended the removal of JFK is the needed paradigm-shift of the age.
Bill Hicks satirized a fascination with American Gladiators.
Network dared allude to something larger.
The alternative would be to believe that the event in Dealey was an exception to the human history of deceptive manipulation.