Robert Morrow Wrote:Lyndon Johnson was also a manic depressive. LBJ was also a psychopathic serial killer. Richard Goodwin, an LBJ aide, went to a psychiatrist and described LBJ's behavior as the Vietnam War was imploding/exploding and came back with the back of the envelope diagnosis: "a paranoid in disintegration." That means you are going completely bats and you suspect that everyone, including your mom and Mother Theresa is out to get you. Like someone who has been on crystal meth for a long time.

Charles Drago Wrote:And so the floodgates open.

No matter where these exchanges lead us, let me state for the record and as powerfully as I am able that:

1. Nothing herein disagreed upon will have the power to negate my friendship with and respect for Jim Fetzer.

JF: Well, then, I would appreciate more consideration of the real issues that are involved.

2. Nothing I post should be construed as a respectful disagreement with Nelson and his acolyte Morrow. The LBJ/"mastermind" construction is a product of, at best, ignorance -- and at worst, of a wilfull attempt to disinform and protect the guilty.

JF: Don't you mean, "Nothing I post should be construed as disrespectful disagreement"?

3. The Fetzer/DiEugenio contratemps is best understood as an intentional byproduct of Nelson's horrific endeavor -- a manufactured conflict between natural allies. Jim F., Jim D. -- Stop it. For the love of all that is just in our shared endeavor, understand that Nelson and his idiot son Morrow are not worth the consequences of our disagreements. In my educated opinion, Nelson accomplishes a major part of his mission by weakening our alliance.

JF: No, I stand with Phil. Jim has repeatedly demonstrated that his work is not competent.

My goals in this thread and everywhere else I can engage the Nelson obscenity/absurdity are to expose it as such and to heal the rifts it is causing.

JF: Egad! Haven't you understood my posts? I am offering powerful support for Phil here.

Is Nelson an enemy agent of disinformation? A simple-minded executioner of the mother tongue? Both?

JF: This is beneath you. The last time you attacked, you hadn't read his book. Have you?

In the final analysis, the distinctions matter not a hell of a lot. All of Nelson's arguments are, by their nature, sophistic: THEY ARE BASED ON A FALSE PREMISE.

JF: You are committing the fallacy of BEGGING THE QUESTION. You have to prove it.

Does Nelson know the premise is false, or is he honestly arguing a patently and demonstrably idiotic point?

JF: A false dichotomy. Neither is true. The premises is not false and he is competent.

In the final analysis, it matters not.

If a man wants to shoot you in the head because he hates you, or because he honestly believes that to do so will cure your headache, you still end up dead as Julius Caesar.

JF: I am profoundly troubled by this. I am completely behind Phil. Attack him/attack me.

Here are the bottom lines:

1. Neither Nelson nor his factotum Morrow define "mastermind." With this context, they dare not/cannot.

JF: Robert Morrow is quite brilliant in his own right. You are off base on all counts here.

2. To ascribe to any 20th century president OTHER THAN JFK the power Nelson ascribes to Johnson is to fatally and almost comedically misunderstand deep politics.

JF: We have been over this ground before, Charles, related to the term "mastermind".

3. I reiterate: To declare that LBJ was the "mastermind" of the JFK assassination -- within reasonable parameters of the definition of "mastermind" -- is tantamount to claiming that a welder designed the Petronas Towers.

JF: Charles, reread my posts, including my intro to Phil's rebuttal. Alas, you are all wet.

Charles Drago

Charles Drago Wrote:Unadulterated balderdash.

"Manic depressive."

"Serial killer."

"Completely bats."

"On crystal meth."

This rhetoric, devoid of substance, is the stuff of schoolyard rants.

Until you are prepared to act and write as a learned student of these events, Mr. Morrow, you might more felicitiously spend your time defending the notion that Hulk Hogan deserves another title shot.

Charles Drago Wrote:Philip Nelsons LBJ/"Mastermind" disinformation is best understood as a companion piece to E. Howard Hunt's recent deathbed "confession."

If the "follow the money" mantra was the key to understanding Watergate, then "question the timing" is a key to identifying intelligence operations.

Hunt's absurdly transparent final fiction and Nelson's just plain absurd "hypothesis" both are intended -- in my educated opinion -- to prolong the JFK debate, reinforce the coverup, and protect the anonymity of the true Sponsors of Dallas and beyond.

It's all about muddying the waters, tainting all assassination research with the same brush, and further Balkanizing the research community.

In re the latter: I shall NOT allow my disagreement on this matter with Jim Fetzer to result in the termination of our greater alliance.

Nelson be damned.

Charles Drago

James H. Fetzer Wrote:Phil Nelson, H. Howard Hunt, Barr McClelland, Billy Sol Estes, Madeleine Duncan Brown,
not to mention Jack Ruby and many other experts, including Nigel Turner and Jim Fetzer.

Charles Drago Wrote:Then I best get inside and dry off.

Jim, don't be troubled by my exposure of Nelson's perfidy and Morrow's idiotic parroting.

Think about how Nelson's indefensible "mastermind" construction deflects attention from the true Sponsors, abuses the language, and threatens to Balkanize us.

Nelson is a bad guy -- de facto or de jure being a distinction we can't afford to belabor.

As for "Quixotic" endeavors: Note how Nelson and his short bus Sancho Panza team up here, over and over again, ad nauseam.

I won't have it, my friend. Nelson's participation -- willing or not -- in the coverup will not be allowed to stand on my watch.

And if you find fault in my zealousness, know that, among my mentors in terms of fighting tooth and nail against disinformation, you are right there in the top rank.

Good night.

Charles

Charles Drago Wrote:Spare me your arguments from authority.

And yes, I understand that, when all is said and done, that's all you've got when you attempt to defend the indefensible "LBJ as 'mastermind'" nonsense.

Nelson, Hunt, McClelland, and Estes are criminals -- in varying senses of the word. Their stock in trade? DISINFORMATION!

Ms. Brown is something other than a scholar of deep politics.

You are a respected, indeed honored member of the research community. But you're dead wrong on this issue.

Sleep warm.

And seriously, I wish you and yours a most peaceful and prosperous New Year.

In friendship,

Charles

James H. Fetzer Wrote:Phil Nelson, H. Howard Hunt, Barr McClelland, Billy Sol Estes, Madeleine Duncan Brown,
not to mention Jack Ruby and many other experts, including Nigel Turner and Jim Fetzer.