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9/11 Illusions, Special Effects, and Other Magic Tricks - Peter Lemkin - 27-02-2011
Jack White Wrote:I happened to read just yesterday that the building at 30 West Broadway (across the street north of WTC7)
was (or is) being demolished because of CONTAMINANTS from the WTC that were impossible to clean up.
Google 30 West Broadway to read more.
It is the building in the background of all these toasted cars and bus.
Jack
That's an interesting photo there Jack....what would break the windows; destroy rubber and make the cars look 'burned', if there were Few fires at ground level; yet not dent any of the metal?!?!?!? - although removing and melting some, selectively and non-intuitively. It's like something out of a cheap 1960s Japanese SciFi movie!....:rofl: Godzilla [more likely the Secret Cabal that runs the USA behind the curtains] meets the WTC Complex!
One thing is for certain, whatever 'Godzilla' did that threatens the USA and all of us - still!!!!!
9/11 Illusions, Special Effects, and Other Magic Tricks - Jeffrey Orling - 27-02-2011
Not so Jack.
"Fiterman Hall was a 15-story building on the campus of this college at 30 West Broadway in Lower Manhattan. It opened in 1959 as an office building before owner Miles Fiterman, whom the building was named after, donated it to BMCC in 1993, which at the time was the largest private donation to a community college in U.S. history. It was renovated in 2000 to receive new windows and infrastructure. The building was owned by the State of New York Dormitory Authority.[3]["
9/11 Illusions, Special Effects, and Other Magic Tricks - Peter Lemkin - 27-02-2011
Jeffrey Orling Wrote:Not so Jack.
"Fiterman Hall was a 15-story building on the campus of this college at 30 West Broadway in Lower Manhattan. It opened in 1959 as an office building before owner Miles Fiterman, whom the building was named after, donated it to BMCC in 1993, which at the time was the largest private donation to a community college in U.S. history. It was renovated in 2000 to receive new windows and infrastructure. The building was owned by the State of New York Dormitory Authority.[3]["
Seems to me this is just proof positive that you will look for ANYTHING - no matter how unrelated to the events of 911; the mechanisms; the perpetrators; the cover-up; the actual events.....to try and battle [read discredit, provoke and hamper] real research and researchers on the event. If Jack showed a photo of a strangely melted Ford and called it a Dodge - you'd be right it there - 'in his face' on the post. This is known as the Nut-From-Brazil school of 'logic' and 'argument'.....I fear....
9/11 Illusions, Special Effects, and Other Magic Tricks - Jeffrey Orling - 27-02-2011
With all due respect Lemkin... grow up.
I think researchers should do their homework and some of it is as simple as a mouse click or do.
I am not trying to discredit anyone or anything but bad research and mis and dis information.
We all make mistakes and unfortunately there are too many lazy thinkers and parrots who copy and paste, and often don't understand nor have checked the material they put out as "research".
You, as I have observed in this forum are not a researcher but a copy and paster and a parrot repeating what you have read. I would bet you haven't don't any research of fact checking, cross reference, verifying sources and so forth on your own. All I see from you is a stream of copy and paste and nothing original.
You appear to be intelligent. But this only proves that intelligent people say and do dumb things and are even more prone to issues of insecurity, ego, hubris and so forth.
Get of it. I don't accept the OCT lies and deception and I don't accept them from any else either.
Show us what your research is... do some independent analysis.
9/11 Illusions, Special Effects, and Other Magic Tricks - David Healy - 28-02-2011
Jeffrey Orling wrote:
Quote:I am not trying to discredit anyone or anything but bad research and mis and dis information.
shall we parse the above to mean, all research is bad, with the exception of yours of course? Just curious.
Quote:We all make mistakes and unfortunately there are too many lazy thinkers and parrots who copy and paste, and often don't understand nor have checked the material they put out as "research".
frankly my dear watson I take the above to be diversion, extending out needless info-nonsense with the sole intention prolonging useless investigation(s) and fact finding daliances... are you related to Len Colby (my favorite nut from Brazil), btw?
LMFAO!
Quote:You appear to be intelligent. But this only proves that intelligent people say and do dumb things and are even more prone to issues of insecurity, ego, hubris and so forth.
Have you read a word you wrote here? Talk about the pot calling a kettle black. Sheeeesh!
Yours in research,
DHealy
A Redd Foxx affectionado...
9/11 Illusions, Special Effects, and Other Magic Tricks - Jeffrey Orling - 28-02-2011
Healy,
You can parse it to mean whatever you like. All I have done is ask people to be informed in their observations and do some fact checking and less cut and paste.
Not all research is flawed. With respect to the research that my colleagues in the truth movement has produced, in my opinion too much of it is flawed.
We all can agree that the OCT is laced with lies. We can't seem to agree what actually dis happen.
9/11 Illusions, Special Effects, and Other Magic Tricks - Dave Greer - 28-02-2011
Looking back at some of the evidence presented in the first post.
If you look at various videos of the "spire", it's pretty clear that it sways, then collapses, leaving a wake of dust behind as it falls. That's what it looks like to me anyway.
![[Image: dustspire.gif]](http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/spire/dustspire.gif)
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9/11 Illusions, Special Effects, and Other Magic Tricks - Jack White - 28-02-2011
Jeffrey Orling Wrote:Not so Jack.
"Fiterman Hall was a 15-story building on the campus of this college at 30 West Broadway in Lower Manhattan. It opened in 1959 as an office building before owner Miles Fiterman, whom the building was named after, donated it to BMCC in 1993, which at the time was the largest private donation to a community college in U.S. history. It was renovated in 2000 to receive new windows and infrastructure. The building was owned by the State of New York Dormitory Authority.[3]["
Correct. I was remembering this that I read, and thought it
was referring to just the one building at 30 West Broadway.
A more careful rereading shows that it is referring to TWO
buildings being torn down. The other one was a bank on Liberty
Street:
....The work to decontaminate and demolish Fiterman was delayed several times, first over insurance and funding disputes and then after the fatal 2007 fire in the Deutsche Bank building, another 9/11-damaged tower. The deconstruction of the 26-story Deutsche Bank building just restarted last week, and it won't be down until late spring at the earliest.
9/11 Illusions, Special Effects, and Other Magic Tricks - Jeffrey Orling - 28-02-2011
One needs to have the lay of the land when trying to understand what happened. Liberty Street was the east-west street which bordered the WTC site to the south and West Broadway was to the north-south street to the north beginning on Vesey Street which ran between WTC 1 and WTC 7. The building being taken down was on Liberty street and was build by Bankers Trust and sold to DeutcheBank. which was about 250' south of WTC 2. 30 West Broadway was a very short block north of WTC 7 and was damaged from WTC 7's collapse which obviously was not completely inside its footprint.
9/11 Illusions, Special Effects, and Other Magic Tricks - Phil Dragoo - 28-02-2011
130 Liberty Street--Deutsche Bank Building
http://wirednewyork.com/wtc/130liberty/
Damage and deconstruction, fire, smoke and death--quite a saga.