+- Deep Politics Forum (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora)
+-- Forum: Deep Politics Forum (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/Forum-Deep-Politics-Forum)
+--- Forum: Geopolitical Hotspots (https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/Forum-Geopolitical-Hotspots)
+--- Thread: Tunisia (/Thread-Tunisia)
Tunisia - Bill Kelly - 19-08-2012
Magda Hassan Wrote:Bill Kelly Wrote:The only thing that is certain is that Syria will not be the military police state it was under Assad.No, it will more likely be a military police state under another US or Saudi puppet. I'm not going to be supporting that.
Egypt was a country controlled by a US puppet, since the revolution, it is not controlled by a US puppet. Tunisa was a sovereign state controlled by a French puppet; since the revolution it is not. Libya was a state controlled by Gadhafi, who had made his peace with UK and USA and made deals with US and European oil companies to suit his family needs, which included paying $1 million for rock stars to perform at his kid's birthday party. Now, since the revolution, Tunisa, Egypt and Libya have had free elections and the people of those countries are determing their own future. The Syria people deserve the same opportunity. After Assad is gone, a new leader, worse than him might emerge, but that is the way revolutions sometimes go.
It is quite clear that Assad is a puppet of Russia, and owes his life, his rule and power to the Russians.
At least our differences are now more clear and we know where we stand.
BK
Tunisia - Danny Jarman - 19-08-2012
Bill Kelly Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:Bill Kelly Wrote:The only thing that is certain is that Syria will not be the military police state it was under Assad.No, it will more likely be a military police state under another US or Saudi puppet. I'm not going to be supporting that.
Egypt was a country controlled by a US puppet, since the revolution, it is not controlled by a US puppet.
:lol:.
The Egyptian Military is not a US puppet?
Tunisia - Bill Kelly - 20-08-2012
Danny Jarman Wrote:Bill Kelly Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:Bill Kelly Wrote:The only thing that is certain is that Syria will not be the military police state it was under Assad.No, it will more likely be a military police state under another US or Saudi puppet. I'm not going to be supporting that.
Egypt was a country controlled by a US puppet, since the revolution, it is not controlled by a US puppet.
:lol:.
The Egyptian Military is not a US puppet?
The Egyptian military is absolutely a puppet of the US military, and some of the 9/11 terrorists were former Egyptian military, including the one who infiltrated the US special forces training facility. They were also responsible for the assassination of the guy who preceded Mubarak. The new, first publicly elected president of Egypt in decades, recently fired the top two military brass for failing to stop or respond to the recent attack on the Israel border by radical islamics. We shall see how it plays out - democracy in action.
Revolutionary Program: Assad on the Ropes - Attends Mosque Service
Tunisia - Bill Kelly - 25-09-2012
Tunisia Girl - A voice of reason from a revolutionary country.
Some Thoughts about the USEmbassy Incidents
http://atunisiangirl.blogspot.com/2012/09/some-thoughts-about-us-embassys.html
Tonight, I feel bad for my country. But also for theentire region, for the Arab world, the Muslim world ... For humanity. Ido not understand this resentment and hatred coming from all sides. I do notunderstand these wars, and all these interventions here and there.
I do not understand this killing silence as to the denial of the right tofree movement. A denial that forces young Africans to risk their lives inthose death rafts. I do not understand that torture is still practiced inmy country. I can not admit or accept the attacks on the first of thefreedoms we have secured thanks to the sacrifices of our martyrs and wounded:the freedom of opinion and expression.
Today we experienced a tragic day, two / three -two different numbers given bythe Minister of the Interior and his spokesman- Tunisians have lost theirlives while they were trying to break into the American Embassy in Tunisin what they thought to be an action to defend Islam and our Prophet. Thishappened as a reaction to the dissemination of an "anti-Islam"movie.
Personally, I can't talk about the movie itself. I did not watch it. I cannot make comments neither on its content nor on its artistic andtechnical quality.
I understand that young people feel annoyed, attacked and harmed in theirsacred, but I do not understand at all those who push them to react violentlyin a country where peaceful youth overthrew a dictator. I am doingmy best to understand those who get excited because of a movie or a book.Moreover I think that the response to a movie should be a movie, a deepcriticism or a peaceful, well-organized demonstration.
The USA Embassy's incidents are beyond my imagination and apprehension. What happened worries me. Many questions hit my mind after what happened:
-Who is the manipulator standing behind these events occurring onan international scale?-Who are his allies / collaborators acrossthe region in general and in our country in particular?I do notunderstand at all why are some parties and occult forces initiating, from timeto time, provocative actions despite knowing in advance that theyare going to put some countries on fire. I do not understand who is behindthe manipulation of the masses. Who pushes them to react violently? Nevertheless, I have a feeling that those behind the alibi and those behind the reaction arethe same.
Furthermore I am astonished at the passivity and incapacity of the securityforces to control the situation despite their awareness of the possibility ofsuch events in advance. Why didn't they cut off the access to the area ? Howdid they let excited and angrypeople reach the walls of the embassyand climb them so easily?We have already seen these same forces actwith promptness and rigidity against people who wanted to celebrate the memoryof the martyrs on April 9th, 2012. Theyhave been very efficient against strikers and protesters in SidiBouzid, the Hencha, Kebili, and many other areas of the country. why did they fail in stopping the angry masses?
There are probably thousands of questions to be raised. Personally, I amconvinced that these incidents are neither spontaneous nor an action that isthe natural reaction of disappointed people hurt in their self-esteem.However, I still have confidence in our youth. I strongly believethat we will succeed in defending and expressing ourselves peacefully. Ihope that the forces of peace and progress around the world will succeed instopping the evil campaigns causing hatred and wars.
Publié par lina ben Mhenni à l'adresse samedi, septembre 15, 2012 [IMG]file:///C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif[/IMG]
Envoyer par e-mailBlogThis!Partager sur TwitterPartager sur Facebook
6 commentaires:
[IMG]file:///C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image003.gif[/IMG]
andersljungbergsamedi,15 septembre, 2012
Christians and Jews have been murdered since muhammed livedon earth
and this sannng can not say when it demeans muhammed and people get upset whenthe mad and violent
this can only mean one thing Muslims can tolerate no criticism even when thecriticism is based on facts
Répondre
Réponses
[IMG]file:///C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image003.gif[/IMG]
Cyrinasamedi,15 septembre, 2012
what u say anders ljungberg is simply ridiculous or may be unever heard about crusades or hitler, get ur facts, and please stop beinghateful, coz u're not less hateful than those who did these acts to USembassies!
[IMG]file:///C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image004.jpg[/IMG]
BrunoSantos Ribeirodimanche,16 septembre, 2012
All religions have blood in their hands but that isradicalism! So let's not fed it please.
Répondre
[IMG]file:///C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image005.jpg[/IMG]
RamziAtwidimanche,16 septembre, 2012
Entered Tunisiain Hurricane Islamists
Répondre
[IMG]file:///C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image003.gif[/IMG]
Eivindlundi,17 septembre, 2012
It's a tragedy.
Some rightwing nutjob is of the opinion that islam is a violent and intolerantreligion, so he sets out to "prove" it by creating a movie.
The technical and artistic qualities of the film are bad, it's on the lever youwould expect from 14-year-olds making a school-project, and not on the levelyou'd expect in a professional movie.
The movie is unable to hurt Islam. It's ridicolous. If nobody had flipped outabout it, all it would amount to would be: "intolerant assholes publishesbad movie, the
world ignores him."
A tiny minority of extremists have a fit about it. Even a peaceful protest ismore attention than these film-makers deserve, but they get more than that.They get cars
on fire. They get rocks thrown at the police. They get stormed embassies. Theyget killings.
These reactions, hurt Islam.
From the perspective of the film-makers this is an astounding success ! Theyset out to "prove" that islam is violent and intolerant. And now theyfeel that their "proof" is valid. They can stand triumphant and say:"See ? Muslims flip out with violence and killings over the slightestprovocation, just like I said!"
That too, is a lie offcourse. Reality is that 99.9% of muslims react sensibly,that is they offer critique, they may even attend some demonstration, if theythink the issue is even worth it. In short, they do their best to prove thatthe picture of Islam that this movie attempts to draw, is a false one.
Of course, those of us lucky enough to have friends who are muslims, have knownthat for a long time. I'm an atheist myself, and my muslim friends surelydisagree with me, like I disagree with them, about many issues. But we agree100% that the way forward is respect, understanding and friendship, notneedless provocations, hatred and violence.
Tunisia - Magda Hassan - 07-10-2013
Oh, there's that al-Qaeda-affiliated Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) again that is ever so obliging and useful.
Quote:http://libya360.wordpress.com/2013/10/05/tunisia-new-details-in-opposition-assassination-point-to-libyan-islamist/Tunisia: New Details in Opposition Assassination Point to Libyan Islamist
Veritas / 2 days ago
Protesters shout slogans and hold up portraits of assassinated Tunisian opposition figure Chokri Belaid during a demonstration in Tunis on 2 October 2013 organised to pressure the ruling Islamist party to tell the truth on the attack blamed on radical Islamists. AFP Fethi Belaid)
By Noureddine Baltayeb
As many had expected, Tayeb Oqaili, member of the national initiative working to uncover the truth behind the assassinations of Chokri Belaid and Mohammed Brahmi, has made public secret information ostensibly implicating the ruling al-Nahda Movement in the assassination of Belaid, who was the leader of the opposition Tunisian Popular Front and Oqaili's close friend. The information links a Libyan militia led by Islamist leader Abdul-Hakim Belhadj to the assassination.
Belhadj, who was active in the 1980s and 90s with the al-Qaeda-affiliated Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), is credited with leading the attack on the stronghold of the late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi in Bab al-Aziziya during the Libyan uprising.
The left-wing leader maintained that at a time when security leaders and intelligence operatives had Belhadj under close observation, leaders in al-Nahda were seen meeting and talking with him.The revelations were made on Wednesday, October 2, during a press conference held by Oqaili on Avenue Habib Bourguiba, a few meters away from the heavily-guarded Interior Ministry. Oqaili revealed he had documents from early January 2011, circulated by Interior Ministry official Wahid al-Toujani, instructing the security services to keep tabs on Belhadj, who apparently intended to carry out terrorist attacks in Tunisia. The left-wing leader maintained that at a time when security leaders and intelligence operatives had Belhadj under close observation, leaders in al-Nahda were seen meeting and talking with him.
According to Oqaili, those leaders include the movement's chief Rachid Ghannouchi, former prime minister Hamadi Jebali, current Prime Minister Ali al-Arid, Minister Noureddine Buhairi, and Minister Samir Dilou, who lied in an interview with Radio Mosaïque when he denied having ever met Belhadj.
To be sure, pictures were circulated on social media sites showing Dilou meeting with Belhadj in the city of Zarzis, confirming the information brought forward by Oqaili, who said, "It was Belhadj who handled the training of Ansar al-Sharia in Tunisia, including the cell that would go on to assassinate Belaid and Brahmi. This confirms that the Libyan leader was involved in both murders."
For its part, al-Nahda scrambled to call a meeting of its executive council to respond to what it called "serious allegations." Al-Nahda said it would assign its legal division to sue Oqaili, who stressed he was ready to face any legal action.
Oqaila also said that the weapons caches found successively in Tunisia after the first one was discovered in Medenine, in the southeast near Libya, were directly linked to the LIFG's activities in Tunisia, in coordination with al-Nahda. Oqaili purported that Belhadj and his group have been training Tunisians in collaboration with al-Nahda, something he said was in line with the thinking of Islamic groups that place partisan affiliation above national identity.
The public prosecutor has decided to begin an investigation into the documents disclosed by Oqaili.
In truth, these allegations did not come as a surprise to many Tunisians. To a large segment of the Tunisian public, al-Nahda's direct or indirect involvement in political assassinations and the proliferation of weapons is almost taken for granted.
In the same vein, the official spokesperson for the Tunisian General Labour Union (UGTT), the body currently leading national reconciliation efforts, said that the leadership of the organization received warnings from the Interior Ministry, saying that there was a need for caution because of credible threats to the lives of a number of UGTT leaders. According to Sami Tahiri, UGTT member, there have been serious attempts to target trade unionists and the headquarters of the organization in the provinces.
At a later time, Belhadj, in a statement to the independent Tunisian News Agency, denied having anything to do with Ansar al-Sharia the group accused by the Tunisian Interior Ministry of masterminding the wave of assassinations seen in the past months or any knowledge of Belaid and Brahmi.
The Libyan leader, who has been involved in the political process in his home country through a new political party, stressed that he was opposed to any meddling in Tunisian affairs. Belhadj expressed his surprise at the allegations.
At any rate, the documents revealed by Oqaili are expected to cause further controversy ahead of the third anniversary of the fall of the regime. Meanwhile, reaching political consensus is almost impossible in the country of Mohammed Bouazizi, the man whose death sparked the Tunisian revolution. The majority of the Tunisian people today suffer from despair, frustration, and perhaps even regret because of the outcome of the Tunisian revolution and the Arab revolutions so far.
![[Image: 344412-01-08.jpg]](http://english.al-akhbar.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/5cols/leading_images/344412-01-08.jpg)
Tunisia - Magda Hassan - 18-03-2015
Reports of exchange of gunfire at Tunisia's parliament: state news agency
TUNIS Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:36am EDT
(Reuters) - Exchanges of gunfire have been heard at Tunisia's parliament building, the TAP state news agency said on Wednesday, without giving further details.
A witness near the parliament told Reuters a large police presence was moving to evacuate the building.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/18/us-tunisia-security-idUSKBN0ME18E20150318
Gunmen 'take hostages' in attack on Tunisia parliament
Three gunmen attack Tunisia's parliament building in Tunis, with reports that a hostage or hostages taken from nearby museum
By Andrew Marszal, and agencies
12:04PM GMT 18 Mar 2015
Exchanges of gunfire have been heard at Tunisia's parliament building, the country's state news agency said on Wednesday.
A witness near the parliament told Reuters a large police presence was moving to evacuate the building.
Local radio said the gunmen may also have taken a hostage from the nearby museum that shares grounds with the parliament.
There were unverified reports a tourist or tourists may have been taken hostage.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/tunisia/11479898/Gunmen-take-hostages-in-attack-on-Tunisia-parliament.html
Tunisia - Magda Hassan - 18-03-2015
Operation over. Wow, that was quick.
According to reporters, 160 tourists were rescued from a back door, 20 to 30 are still inside. MI spokesman Aroui " there's an ongoing terrorist attack, 1 tourist is wounded and been taken to emergency" he refuses to give any details. There are some dead among security forces, no information about hostages.
Tunisia - Magda Hassan - 19-03-2015
This is supposed to be the 2 terrorists shot in the attack on the museum. However as you can see they are not the military clad gunmen that were stated in the reports.